From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 411A04C1F5 for ; Fri, 23 May 2025 16:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CB468D46C; Fri, 23 May 2025 19:04:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (relay9-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.199]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEDEF68D106 for ; Fri, 23 May 2025 19:04:33 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BAAC441CD for ; Fri, 23 May 2025 16:04:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1748016273; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=3R8WExrlNbBUMZ+WZ3GoINE9AevkX1oF2h+RYGgbH3U=; b=PhKetcO7H/vvWoe+kmI7RSR38fnL2QR1PrPCNXqsiudvx8lIC78z9zEG9OICNxPokjnNoP gy85aEh4dtL9U06k7WQs9MrYPDeZIJdy/JCVKbVE2xIZtpFw51dlLCKjXXhkvG7eweikMp ODEXoNJcROuONT4QiioIO4j1MK+7uDdeGDOUkBiZxTJio4rqevP0Wj2UXHzRh+t6vMbtz9 vmflHVKFWMXM8F5ekCfYqtGvKpG0brjT+9+1UUrdhb7FMIEsnLYnyYoikhjcxZcQmrlndk K8T2LadbzUY6lhBkOLDQNmSKUXwFDVjFjdhZwGdkdWuMZCSJK3mJJjYJdlse7w== Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 18:04:31 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250523160431.GD29660@pb2> References: <20250523094514.GW29660@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -70 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtddtgdelvdekucdltddurdegfedvrddttddmucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuifetpfffkfdpucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddunecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenfghrlhcuvffnffculdeftddmnecujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtuggjsehgtderredttdejnecuhfhrohhmpefoihgthhgrvghlucfpihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghruceomhhitghhrggvlhesnhhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhdrtggtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeelkeeggfffiedufeejueffjeduhedttdduledtheevveevtdeiueelhfdtuedtkeenucfkphepgedurdeiiedrieejrdduudefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepgedurdeiiedrieejrdduudefpdhhvghloheplhhotggrlhhhohhsthdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopehffhhmphgvghdquggvvhgvlhesfhhfmhhpvghgrdhorhhg X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF RaptorQ X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6015882366711486403==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============6015882366711486403== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s7QOKFMN4IPcLtci" Content-Disposition: inline --s7QOKFMN4IPcLtci Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Devin On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 10:50:32AM -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote: > Hello Michael, >=20 > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 5:45=E2=80=AFAM Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 07:55:40PM -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote: > > > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 7:42=E2=80=AFPM Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel > > > wrote: > > > > I wanted to put on the record that adding RaptorQ to FFmpeg isn't > > > > maintenance of FFmpeg. > > > > i agree adding RaptorQ itself is probably not maintenance >=20 > Ok, so that much everybody seems to agree on. Great. >=20 > > > > It's adding an obscure FEC protocol to FFmpeg, > > > > tornado and raptor codes are not obscure. > > and FFmpeg supports hundreads of much more obscure things >=20 > Sure, no disagreement there. While I've personally never used any of > the codecs that support video games from the 1990's, I don't really > have any problem with them being in ffmpeg. That said, in my opinion, > I doubt STF would really think it's a good use of their funds to add > support for new codecs for such games. yes, of course [...] > > > I agree with Kieran that this seems to largely be outside the STF > > > objectives (i.e. sustainability for open source projects). > > > > A new implementation of RIST, SRT, Raptor and so on may fall outside > > but redesigning the protocol layer in FFmpeg would perfectly fit inside > > "sustainability for open source projects" > > When you want A and B and both are connected, you ask for the funding > > to be for the side that fits inside the guidelines > > So this STF project could be changed to center on maintaince of the > > protocol layer instead of a RaptorQ/SRT/RIST implementation i think. >=20 > I'm certainly not suggesting anybody implement a new version of RIST > or SRT (and on a personal note I give Kieran an enormous amount of > credit for building his own SRT implementation). But yeah, I think > most people who have looked closely at the ffmpeg protocol layer > acknowledge it could be improved, and that seems like the thing that > someone could easily convince STF of. So if i understand you correctly, we seem to agree here If someone wants to do a protocol layer improvment project in FFmpeg STF you agree with me that this would fall within STF. we would just need someone who wants to do that. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong. -- Voltaire --s7QOKFMN4IPcLtci Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iFwEABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCaDCcjwAKCRBhHseHBAsP qxwLAJ9kZ5dJ1Kc41IB35F95JcVe8cZfvwCVGblctR65WrkiULFGARzuQlOHiw== =9KfG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s7QOKFMN4IPcLtci-- --===============6015882366711486403== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============6015882366711486403==--