From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F9E94C0BF for ; Fri, 23 May 2025 09:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2159068DEC9; Fri, 23 May 2025 12:58:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (relay7-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.200]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57B4D68DB45 for ; Fri, 23 May 2025 12:58:03 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AA4534316E for ; Fri, 23 May 2025 09:58:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1747994282; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=WNDD44ZbFa/mLjjQzwUxqiX9MtsT7ytTi/cnPMnKcSI=; b=NlXhr/4Z1Caj5f31uZec/euWVYGPiegcwVIqpayAAZzWO9PRilBfq17tkHNj2Y97enHRXb JXAwi1H6bmtFxn18IIVSyFBIwU33wDLbfD9CmPUebwh6v329ZCY92DXp5/Y6t0hNTVmWFM EeqxElUWu1XdYxU5oT7O9s+sbNB8Xg5MZAEuAzimi/ln5SPJR+x/g8pevl7uC/F5dPm2Q4 XZQ9gTMKk5a5TdGlFNmDnNC/Y95ptc9cCuM7PqKv9zqIvOrHfpC7XuJz/9Ry3BrqVB4Zoj rJPc0irB+i7JMmJVHf84O//ZbYONgVDJUtDUPnT3goVheDUhEyb7tnHdzhm4Rw== Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 11:58:01 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250523095801.GX29660@pb2> References: <20250523094514.GW29660@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20250523094514.GW29660@pb2> X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -70 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtddtgdekheehucdltddurdegfedvrddttddmucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuifetpfffkfdpucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddunecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenfghrlhcuvffnffculdeftddmnecujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtuggjsehgtderredttddvnecuhfhrohhmpefoihgthhgrvghlucfpihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghruceomhhitghhrggvlhesnhhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhdrtggtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeigeektdejudffjefhteegjedtgeettefggedthfejgfevhfetgeekjedtvdfhveenucfkphepgedurdeiiedrieejrdduudefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepgedurdeiiedrieejrdduudefpdhhvghloheplhhotggrlhhhohhsthdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopehffhhmphgvghdquggvvhgvlhesfhhfmhhpvghgrdhorhhg X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF RaptorQ X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1246773239538872602==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============1246773239538872602== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8RQMx6WPeBmQQUlC" Content-Disposition: inline --8RQMx6WPeBmQQUlC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 11:45:14AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > Hi [...] > > I agree with Kieran that this seems to largely be outside the STF > > objectives (i.e. sustainability for open source projects). >=20 > A new implementation of RIST, SRT, Raptor and so on may fall outside > but redesigning the protocol layer in FFmpeg would perfectly fit inside > "sustainability for open source projects" > When you want A and B and both are connected, you ask for the funding > to be for the side that fits inside the guidelines > So this STF project could be changed to center on maintaince of the > protocol layer instead of a RaptorQ/SRT/RIST implementation i think. Theres also the human element, where people are not machienes that can be placed and told things arbitrary. RaptorQ is "cool", ARQ is boring Some people enjoy working on "cool" things, dont tell them to work on boring things please. Its bad for them, and likely bad for the results. If you find RIST/SRT important, you should work on it, or fund someone to do it or to submit a project idea to STF/GsoC/... and work on it with their funding ... Also IMO if you have someone who wants to do a project that moves FFmpeg forward, be supportive of the effort and try to find a way to make it happen be that inside or outside STF. Arguing against efforts to move to teh cutting edge of technology will do only one thing and thats havig competitors take the space and FFmpeg fall behind thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Asymptotically faster algorithms should always be preferred if you have asymptotical amounts of data --8RQMx6WPeBmQQUlC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCaDBGpQAKCRBhHseHBAsP q0eBAJ9MM8WrFa7xtMCjyzjcZ/gFMOq2PwCdGBbCQgEC4zgljnb4+2d+ubxNY0g= =9lbx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8RQMx6WPeBmQQUlC-- --===============1246773239538872602== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============1246773239538872602==--