From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7F204BDE7 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2025 18:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D5D68B0FE; Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:08:34 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EE9068AD2E for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:08:27 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B1D6F204AC for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2025 18:08:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1738606106; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=HDVlvROhhghREnsEDj4f3kK/FY5K95g7xZh+ShX61bQ=; b=DAYi95/z65uwpDuILLNEVXNTUsz2c5Pz1zZeliEvfw0DUuSovWBRkszblE56cK/dtOKumG 1gwWblw9ueNZCK2eoCQBthKo90WGyFUh4RujdXhfZXN9EFa3qz70LDhqnB9OU8H5Jd/IIQ CJ6ct/lbuSLHbx62sjtAye1X4ZJlih/FJ6/drCj4ArNVOyoy3Qryasl305Eip0Uu8tow8Q aAUsSnEZ6OLBxB1vYKAGYwR7lj52H3T8W+X8sXt7XtXvnST5M/4aDX3mlIUCAl5u5gtED4 pIR5vqdf/GI0IdnH50X4xCeU18fdsX0R5ThHlOhZFDJByuYZ2HjCr6zWHFC86g== Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 19:08:25 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250203180825.GZ4991@pb2> References: <20250129203321.GB4991@pb2> <20250130004313.GB17613@haasn.xyz> <9dacff42-0536-4736-922b-0d791d63ef61@gmail.com> <20250201004948.GH4991@pb2> <64fdd98f-23ed-45ca-943e-011f223d20f9@gmail.com> <20250201215325.GT4991@pb2> <45c37d06-f49b-42ff-a841-64cfaa513af4@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <45c37d06-f49b-42ff-a841-64cfaa513af4@gmail.com> X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -85 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefvddrtddtgddukedvkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfitefpfffkpdcuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnegfrhhlucfvnfffucdludehmdenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujgesghdtreertddtvdenucfhrhhomhepofhitghhrggvlhcupfhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhcuoehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepffeltdefveefffehueeuhfdtjeeileeufedtiedtgfehteegffeffeetkefftdfhnecuffhomhgrihhnpehffhhmphgvghdrohhrghenucfkphepgedurdeiiedrieejrdduudefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepgedurdeiiedrieejrdduudefpdhhvghloheplhhotggrlhhhohhsthdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopehffhhmphgvghdquggvvhgvlhesfhhfmhhpvghgrdhorhhg X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization work in progress draft v2 X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2125624037519035681==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============2125624037519035681== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PzQrL7kBr5KbbZn9" Content-Disposition: inline --PzQrL7kBr5KbbZn9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi James On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 03:14:58PM -0300, James Almer wrote: > On 2/1/2025 6:53 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > Hi James > >=20 > > On Sat, Feb 01, 2025 at 10:30:21AM -0300, James Almer wrote: > > > On 1/31/2025 9:49 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > > Hi James > > > >=20 > > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 12:44:50PM -0300, James Almer wrote: > > > > > On 1/31/2025 11:58 AM, Nicolas George wrote: > > > > > > Niklas Haas (12025-01-30): > > > > [...] > > > > > > On the other hand, I believe this whole plan is a bad idea. > > > > > Yes, it is a bad idea. We have had the current system in place fo= r about > > > > > five years now, and besides one or two CC assemblages being ineff= icient, it > > > >=20 > > > > Do you remember this suggested addition to the FAQ ? > > > > https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2025-January/338186= =2Ehtml > > > >=20 > > > > It seems you dont remember it even though this was posted just a fe= w days ago > > > > I knew this is needed to be put in the FAQ ;( > > >=20 > > > I saw it, and i think that patch is anything but objective and comple= tely > > > unacceptable. You're stating your opinion and discrediting a system i= n an > > > official document in the project's repository itself of all places. D= o you > > > not see how absurd that is? > >=20 > > The system is absurd >=20 > The system is fine. Then lets publish the FAQ i suggested (or a more formal text) and let the reader judge it themselfs > One CC was inefficient It is not just one CC. And i would not choose the word "inefficient" > and it bothered you that really misses the point. The CCs block moderators while allowing false statments to be published abo= ut developers. Its damaging to the people that are targetet and it created confusion and disagreement where there is likely no actual significant disagreement There are also several other serious issues with the CCs (No public reporting / yearly reports / feedback to the voter) (biased, treating some people differently) (some CC members participated in attacks, both before and during their membership) (some CC members did little, but no public reporting) (one CC member called multiple developers assholes - then resigned - then was a candidates again - then resigned again) =2E.. And also iam happy to provide full references in public to any claim above > to the point > you want to start everything from scratch. It's not reasonable. No, these are 2 seperate issues. The GA changes likely would not even fix the CC issues. Ill reply to the rest seperately to keep my replies short thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Dictatorship: All citizens are under surveillance, all their steps and actions recorded, for the politicians to enforce control. 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