Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization work in progress draft v2

[Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>]

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Hi James

On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 03:14:58PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> On 2/1/2025 6:53 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > Hi James
> > 
> > On Sat, Feb 01, 2025 at 10:30:21AM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> > > On 1/31/2025 9:49 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > > Hi James
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 12:44:50PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> > > > > On 1/31/2025 11:58 AM, Nicolas George wrote:
> > > > > > Niklas Haas (12025-01-30):
> > > > [...]
> > > > > > On the other hand, I believe this whole plan is a bad idea.
> > > > > Yes, it is a bad idea. We have had the current system in place for about
> > > > > five years now, and besides one or two CC assemblages being inefficient, it
> > > > 
> > > > Do you remember this suggested addition to the FAQ ?
> > > > https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2025-January/338186.html
> > > > 
> > > > It seems you dont remember it even though this was posted just a few days ago
> > > > I knew this is needed to be put in the FAQ ;(
> > > 
> > > I saw it, and i think that patch is anything but objective and completely
> > > unacceptable. You're stating your opinion and discrediting a system in an
> > > official document in the project's repository itself of all places. Do you
> > > not see how absurd that is?
> > 
> > The system is absurd
> 
> The system is fine.

Then lets publish the FAQ i suggested (or a more formal text)
and let the reader judge it themselfs


> One CC was inefficient

It is not just one CC. And i would not choose the word "inefficient"


> and it bothered you

that really misses the point.

The CCs block moderators while allowing false statments to be published about
developers.
Its damaging to the people that are targetet and it created confusion and
disagreement where there is likely no actual significant disagreement
There are also several other serious issues with the CCs
(No public reporting / yearly reports / feedback to the voter)
(biased, treating some people differently)
(some CC members participated in attacks, both before and
 during their membership)
(some CC members did little, but no public reporting)
(one CC member called multiple developers assholes - then resigned
 - then was a candidates again - then resigned again)
...
And also iam happy to provide full references in public to any claim above


> to the point
> you want to start everything from scratch. It's not reasonable.

No, these are 2 seperate issues. The GA changes likely would not even fix
the CC issues.

Ill reply to the rest seperately to keep my replies short

thx

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