From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F24C4BAF2 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 00:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E8668C1AD; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 02:01:59 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.196]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0D3268B796 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 02:01:52 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45979433C9 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 00:01:52 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1738454512; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=lRmFgqe1Ulnx/cyhxtq6spk4qv9whDsnD3z9uDpau/w=; b=FBMCdlr5aHxVNWwSPt1i7ZI4bAdpA2jPHQpJOUtoDGwWT4Ss4xvg4Bm/130nJEXXfFVioh OeabvmeK3/pOOna7IGCprfjFyQEeCnBeWpoGdFOLD0NFiZglnnr83hdwuytLdosAtgpPYg D/7Q1k2fzv8jRzBNp2fbWzAU8O6d1Y60NgysTeruQXctA1Nc2mVQ3MG6jIk3yDFi6h2KEf wJ9g5p+okjrxYCCtkwcnuKqfqcj7vdGFDlUjzHnkXX6UEzwxwa0iBFLm/Iyftf43aTe2xc HKFnigOrSetJDbjd6AXAHKIivrWa74pH0JIpkmWz9yNsy501Cjc0cAmcQZlSHQ== Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 01:01:51 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250202000151.GW4991@pb2> References: <20250129203321.GB4991@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -70 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefvddrtddtgddufedufecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfitefpfffkpdcuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnegfrhhlucfvnfffucdlfedtmdenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujgesghdtreertddtvdenucfhrhhomhepofhitghhrggvlhcupfhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhcuoehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepieegkedtjeduffejhfetgeejtdegteetgfegtdfhjefgvefhteegkeejtddvhfevnecukfhppeeguddrieeirdeijedruddufeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeeguddrieeirdeijedruddufedphhgvlhhopehlohgtrghlhhhoshhtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhitghhrggvlhesnhhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhdrtggtpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedupdhrtghpthhtohepfhhfmhhpvghgqdguvghvvghlsehffhhmphgvghdrohhrgh X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization work in progress draft v2 X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2037796236070344468==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============2037796236070344468== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eqlEGLj3wLEBUmQ+" Content-Disposition: inline --eqlEGLj3wLEBUmQ+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nicolas On Sat, Feb 01, 2025 at 09:44:50PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > Michael Niedermayer (12025-01-29): > > Hi all > >=20 > > Heres my current "work in progress": (sending that before fosdem, so pe= ople can discuss if they like) >=20 > Counter-proposal: >=20 > By any sane measure of merit towards the project you would get more > votes than anybody else, that makes no sense. So, instead, you get 0 > vote because you do not take part in the votes, you organize them. >=20 > You are officially the leader of the project, and as such the arbiter of > consensus among the community. You hold that role preferably by judging > the arguments, or more frequently by delegating that task to > maintainers, but if the arguments fail to convince, you can decide to > hold a vote. >=20 > You decide on the voting body and the weight of each voter according to > the merit criteria of your choice. You do not make them public so as not > to trigger Goodhart's law. You should experiment with variations on the > criteria and see if they lead to a significant difference in result, and > see which variation most match your subjective assessment of people's > merit. >=20 > The votes are public. Mandatory secrecy is not possible with online > votes and voluntary secrecy is not important in this case. >=20 > People have to trust you about the results. If they do not trust the > leader, they can work on something else. >=20 > You are free to delegate any of these tasks in order to be able to focus > on more interesting things. >=20 > Peace on the mailing-list is also your duty as leader and arbiter of the > consensus among the community. You should delegate that duty to a team > of trusted moderators, same as maintainers. You can seek consensus to > choose them, using a vote if necessary. This is an interresting proposal. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB I have never wished to cater to the crowd; for what I know they do not approve, and what they approve I do not know. -- Epicurus --eqlEGLj3wLEBUmQ+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZ5615wAKCRBhHseHBAsP q6QuAJwMQBfj+i4wjildfeFNMurBRa5UvQCgkl1iQRSSeERrT969GcXjq5u8maE= =bnis -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eqlEGLj3wLEBUmQ+-- --===============2037796236070344468== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============2037796236070344468==--