From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A4984BB6A for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2025 13:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC2368BFDE; Sat, 1 Feb 2025 15:44:41 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (relay9-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.199]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15D3468BDCE for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2025 15:44:33 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E61B4429D for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2025 13:44:32 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1738417473; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=X62KtTKp3OJGU20nrzqYQUzo+DqWyx5Q0DRk+OPIcdc=; b=pOXn7e8Vpt6hIS5Yk/fQ1GvLOPrPYcYfq+7Hr3uIZCAPDDUW/zWyPwHDdjcCI4wkofHqMu 1s8R5UiCq1m7RL4AuhVJrQD9/JSWQW5Aip4H/IyHDzXT8ZhRG8uW/L4iab+D3VXNcsRiDX 447c8he5hEf4Xf4QKwm/YfYvBp3izt8G4gMHqwO4/HNLHSE+CFA+84l6pFc7jBagfyZBeD rlyMTcB2GddzTN2QA9jKYD+JJONvkcYx5QvmUbD8kOJoLvCrU93iXEqNvexYLJN68HDktC jZ40YLoIRILw2wwo+DJmWNHZJw4BTLbPV0A+23QXsWKv6sW8QG3GW0jvXCTF4Q== Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:44:32 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250201134432.GN4991@pb2> References: <20250102141731.GR4991@pb2> <20250126191713.GQ4991@pb2> <2572295.Sgy9Pd6rRy@basile.remlab.net> <20250128182122.GX4991@pb2> <20250129161629.GB159671@haasn.xyz> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20250129161629.GB159671@haasn.xyz> X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -85 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefvddrtddtgdduudekjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfitefpfffkpdcuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnegfrhhlucfvnfffucdludehmdenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujgesghdtreertddtjeenucfhrhhomhepofhitghhrggvlhcupfhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhcuoehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepleekgefgffeiudefjeeuffejudehtddtudeltdehveevvedtieeulefhtdeutdeknecukfhppeeguddrieeirdeijedruddufeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeeguddrieeirdeijedruddufedphhgvlhhopehlohgtrghlhhhoshhtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhitghhrggvlhesnhhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhdrtggtpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedupdhrtghpthhtohepfhhfmhhpvghgqdguvghvvghlsehffhhmphgvghdrohhrgh X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3578625052458706880==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============3578625052458706880== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1uNqgnacCi/t3Si6" Content-Disposition: inline --1uNqgnacCi/t3Si6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Niklas On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 04:16:29PM +0100, Niklas Haas wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 13:39:36 +0100 Nicolas George wrote: > > Zhao Zhili (12025-01-29): > > > I don=E2=80=99t stay long enough to know the history, but I don=E2=80= =99t think delving into history > > > helps the current situation. Let's talk less about history and hatred= to avoid creating > > > a self-fulfilling prophecy. > > > > =E2=80=9CThose who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.= =E2=80=9D > > > > The situation affecting the project right now is extremely similar to > > the events of ~15 years ago that led to a fork and harmed the project > > immensely. > > > > We are seeing the same strategy deployed. If we want to avoid the same > > harm happening, we need to realize how it happened the first time. >=20 > I think the most important crux of the problem is a fundamental disagreem= ent > between Michael and the "community" (for lack of a better term) about the= role > of the CC (and by extension, the GA). > Michael is under the impression that they > (should) serve a mere advisory role, with Michael himself having final sa= y in which michael is that ? * The GA is vulnerable to a governance attack, that needs to be fixed * The GA does not represent the community but only a select subset, that ne= eds to be fixed * The CC is fundamentally broken * People keep repeating completely false statements about me, these people = must be removed For the first 2 points i have posted a proposal, for the other 2 i may post= proposals in the future [...] > I think that in summary, Michael is currently in the difficult position o= f which > he would rather lose - control over the FFmpeg name, or the developers th= at make > up the project. The project belongs to the people, but individuals who spread lies about me have no place in FFmpeg. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB If you drop bombs on a foreign country and kill a hundred thousand innocent people, expect your government to call the consequence "unprovoked inhuman terrorist attacks" and use it to justify dropping more bombs and killing more people. 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