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From: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:44:32 +0100
Message-ID: <20250201134432.GN4991@pb2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250129161629.GB159671@haasn.xyz>


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Hi Niklas

On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 04:16:29PM +0100, Niklas Haas wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 13:39:36 +0100 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote:
> > Zhao Zhili (12025-01-29):
> > > I don’t stay long enough to know the history, but I don’t think delving into history
> > > helps the current situation. Let's talk less about history and hatred to avoid creating
> > > a self-fulfilling prophecy.
> >
> > “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
> >
> > The situation affecting the project right now is extremely similar to
> > the events of ~15 years ago that led to a fork and harmed the project
> > immensely.
> >
> > We are seeing the same strategy deployed. If we want to avoid the same
> > harm happening, we need to realize how it happened the first time.
> 
> I think the most important crux of the problem is a fundamental disagreement
> between Michael and the "community" (for lack of a better term) about the role
> of the CC (and by extension, the GA).

> Michael is under the impression that they
> (should) serve a mere advisory role, with Michael himself having final say in

which michael is that ?

* The GA is vulnerable to a governance attack, that needs to be fixed
* The GA does not represent the community but only a select subset, that needs to be fixed
* The CC is fundamentally broken
* People keep repeating completely false statements about me, these people must be removed

For the first 2 points i have posted a proposal, for the other 2 i may post proposals
in the future


[...]

> I think that in summary, Michael is currently in the difficult position of which
> he would rather lose - control over the FFmpeg name, or the developers that make
> up the project.

The project belongs to the people, but individuals who spread lies about me
have no place in FFmpeg.


thx

[...]
-- 
Michael     GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB

If you drop bombs on a foreign country and kill a hundred thousand
innocent people, expect your government to call the consequence
"unprovoked inhuman terrorist attacks" and use it to justify dropping
more bombs and killing more people. The technology changed, the idea is old.

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     [not found]   ` <20250114170615.GD4991@pb2>
     [not found]     ` <eafdd773-0055-4619-b1e2-bf4d4266ee4e@gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <20250117173914.GN4991@pb2>
     [not found]         ` <f5f57e16-8f34-4836-9b46-f31a753dd990@gmail.com>
2025-01-20  1:28           ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-20  6:21             ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-20 15:45 ` Soft Works
2025-01-20 16:15   ` Marth64
2025-01-20 16:38     ` Marth64
2025-01-21  0:36       ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-24 19:36         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-24 21:02           ` Nicolas George
2025-01-25  6:21             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-25  7:55           ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-25 20:26           ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-25 21:08             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-25 21:39             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-25 22:13               ` Marth64
2025-01-25 23:23               ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-25 22:40             ` Marth64
2025-01-26 15:06               ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-26 15:11                 ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-26 16:35                 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-26 17:34                   ` Marth64
2025-01-26 18:07                     ` Marth64
2025-01-26 18:43                       ` Gyan Doshi
2025-01-26 18:51                         ` Marth64
2025-01-26 19:17                     ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-26 19:39                       ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-26 20:40                         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-26 20:51                           ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-26 21:20                             ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-26 22:01                             ` Marth64
2025-01-28 18:21                               ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-29  6:40                                 ` Zhao Zhili
2025-01-29 12:39                                   ` Nicolas George
2025-01-29 15:16                                     ` Niklas Haas
2025-01-29 16:12                                       ` compn
2025-01-29 16:22                                         ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 17:02                                         ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 17:41                                           ` Marth64
2025-01-29 18:26                                             ` Marth64
2025-01-29 19:36                                               ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-29 20:20                                                 ` Marth64
2025-01-29 20:54                                                   ` Nicolas George
2025-01-29 21:08                                                     ` Marth64
2025-01-29 21:45                                                       ` Nicolas George
2025-01-30  6:12                                                         ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-30  8:02                                                           ` Nicolas George
2025-01-30  9:45                                                             ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-31  0:03                                                               ` Soft Works
2025-01-31  0:14                                                                 ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-02-01 13:50                                                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-29 20:04                                         ` Ronald S. Bultje
2025-01-29 21:27                                         ` Niklas Haas
2025-01-29 21:39                                           ` Nicolas George
2025-02-01 14:15                                           ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-29 20:51                                       ` Nicolas George
2025-01-29 21:21                                         ` Niklas Haas
2025-01-29 21:36                                           ` Nicolas George
2025-01-30  6:08                                             ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 23:26                                           ` Soft Works
2025-01-30  6:35                                             ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-30 23:21                                               ` Soft Works
2025-01-31  0:14                                                 ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-31  1:07                                                   ` Soft Works
2025-01-30  9:50                                           ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-02-01 14:46                                           ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-02-01 14:48                                             ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-02-01 15:03                                               ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-02-01 16:10                                                 ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-02-01 15:11                                             ` James Almer
     [not found]                                               ` <dffa122a-f13a-4e95-8210-9053a6832e6a@e-blokos.com>
2025-02-01 16:03                                                 ` James Almer
2025-02-01 20:18                                               ` Nicolas George
2025-02-01 13:44                                       ` Michael Niedermayer [this message]
2025-02-01 20:20                                         ` Nicolas George
2025-02-01 21:00                                           ` Soft Works
2025-01-29  9:45                                 ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 10:32                                   ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 10:51                                     ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 11:52                                       ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 14:38                                         ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 15:24                                           ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 16:24                                             ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 16:44                                               ` Soft Works
2025-01-30  8:02                                         ` Tobias Rapp
2025-01-29 16:58                                     ` Marth64
2025-01-29 17:06                                       ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 17:14                                         ` Marth64
2025-01-29 17:22                                           ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 17:38                                             ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 18:13                                             ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 18:23                                               ` Marth64
2025-01-29 17:15                                       ` Soft Works
2025-01-26 21:24                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-26 21:41                           ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-27  9:03                           ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-20 17:44     ` Soft Works
2025-01-20 18:14       ` Gyan Doshi
2025-01-20 21:04         ` Nicolas George
2025-01-21  0:41         ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-21  6:52           ` Soft Works
2025-01-25 18:04             ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-24 20:01         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-20 17:59     ` Nicolas George
2025-01-20 18:18       ` Marth64
2025-01-20 18:46         ` Soft Works
2025-01-20 20:57         ` Nicolas George
2025-01-20 21:08           ` Marth64
2025-01-20 22:20             ` Marth64
2025-01-20 18:23       ` Marth64
2025-01-20 20:50         ` Nicolas George
2025-01-20 21:00           ` Soft Works
2025-01-21  0:55             ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-21  4:29               ` Marth64
2025-01-22 20:51               ` Nicolas George
2025-01-22 22:00                 ` Soft Works

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