From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9555B4B164 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBB668BDE8; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 23:28:05 +0200 (EET) Received: from haasn.dev (haasn.dev [78.46.187.166]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F79668BC60 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 23:27:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from haasn.dev (unknown [10.30.1.1]) by haasn.dev (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B45440B76 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 22:27:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 22:27:58 +0100 Message-ID: <20250129222758.GD6909@haasn.xyz> From: Niklas Haas To: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org In-Reply-To: <20250129061230.00003b92@hawaiiantel.net> References: <20250102141731.GR4991@pb2> <20250126191713.GQ4991@pb2> <2572295.Sgy9Pd6rRy@basile.remlab.net> <20250128182122.GX4991@pb2> <20250129161629.GB159671@haasn.xyz> <20250129061230.00003b92@hawaiiantel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 06:12:30 -1000 compn wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:16:29 +0100, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > I think the most important crux of the problem is a fundamental disagreement > > between Michael and the "community" (for lack of a better term) about the role > > of the CC (and by extension, the GA). Michael is under the impression that they > > (should) serve a mere advisory role, with Michael himself having final say in > > matters both technical and non-technical. The "community", on the other hand, > > seems to be under the impression that the CC/GA is supposed to have the final > > say. > > > > I think that resolving this core dispute is the only way to quiet these non-stop > > discussions, either by making it clear that the CC, TC and GA are merely advisory > > with no actual power, or by Michael stepping down and handing control over > > ffmpeg.org to the GA (via vote of new root admin). > > ffmpeg is ran by the community currently, and always has been. It is run by a very, *very* vocal minority of the community. > ffmpeg has never been ran by a vote. there have always been multiple > people in charge of the ffmpeg server. i know, because i've been here > for 20 years. > > we can see how badly something ran by GA vote works right now. with our > own eyes. ffmpeg just had a vote for the CC and two developers > immediately quit working in the CC. why did we just waste all that > time with a vote then? This is a fallacious argument because it rests on an empty hypothesis. The CC has never had any actual power, ergo it is impossible to use it as an example of what a community-led project would have looked like. On the other hand, there are plenty of precedents out there in the wider FOSS world that show that community-led projects can work just fine. > > michael is not a supervillain. saying its "michael vs the > community" ? please stop with these personal statements against > any individual developers in the project on this mailing list. Michael is the current de-facto leader. It is literally impossible for me to phrase it in any other way that does not unduly single him out as long as this remains the status quo. > if people are going to fork, then fork. ffmpeg has plenty of active and > inactive forks. its not the end of the world. just a fork. I thought we agreed that it's best to avoid this outcome if possible? > > i hope a certain vocal subset of people will stop blackmailing this > project with the "if we dont get our way, we'll quit/fork" stuff. its > not a friendly nor professional ultimatum. At this point, I don't think it will stop until something changes. > > -compn > _______________________________________________ > ffmpeg-devel mailing list > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".