From: Niklas Haas <ffmpeg@haasn.xyz> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:16:29 +0100 Message-ID: <20250129161629.GB159671@haasn.xyz> (raw) In-Reply-To: <Z5ohiBnyYwCsPrxl@phare.normalesup.org> On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 13:39:36 +0100 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote: > Zhao Zhili (12025-01-29): > > I don’t stay long enough to know the history, but I don’t think delving into history > > helps the current situation. Let's talk less about history and hatred to avoid creating > > a self-fulfilling prophecy. > > “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” > > The situation affecting the project right now is extremely similar to > the events of ~15 years ago that led to a fork and harmed the project > immensely. > > We are seeing the same strategy deployed. If we want to avoid the same > harm happening, we need to realize how it happened the first time. I think the most important crux of the problem is a fundamental disagreement between Michael and the "community" (for lack of a better term) about the role of the CC (and by extension, the GA). Michael is under the impression that they (should) serve a mere advisory role, with Michael himself having final say in matters both technical and non-technical. The "community", on the other hand, seems to be under the impression that the CC/GA is supposed to have the final say. I think that resolving this core dispute is the only way to quiet these non-stop discussions, either by making it clear that the CC, TC and GA are merely advisory with no actual power, or by Michael stepping down and handing control over ffmpeg.org to the GA (via vote of new root admin). I am not going to comment on which outcome is better for the long-term success of the project, but I will point out that formally abolishing the GA as a ruling entity is likely to be the tipping point that leads to another fork/schism. I think that in summary, Michael is currently in the difficult position of which he would rather lose - control over the FFmpeg name, or the developers that make up the project. And until a clear decision is made, the nonstop discussions will probably continue indefinitely, amidst a backdrop of increasing hostility and dwindling community numbers. > > Regards, > > -- > Nicolas George > _______________________________________________ > ffmpeg-devel mailing list > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
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