From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A4CC4ABC4 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5BE68BC9D; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:12:15 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0245.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.245]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E7AF68ACF8 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:12:08 +0200 (EET) Received: from omf04.b.hostedemail.com (omf04 [10.200.6.67]) by unirelay10.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97CB1C11FC for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [HIDDEN] (Authenticated sender: ff@hawaiiantel.net) by omf04.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 60ADD180004 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 06:12:30 -1000 From: compn To: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org Message-ID: <20250129061230.00003b92@hawaiiantel.net> In-Reply-To: <20250129161629.GB159671@haasn.xyz> References: <20250102141731.GR4991@pb2> <20250126191713.GQ4991@pb2> <2572295.Sgy9Pd6rRy@basile.remlab.net> <20250128182122.GX4991@pb2> <20250129161629.GB159671@haasn.xyz> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.3.0 (GTK 3.24.42; x86_64-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Stat-Signature: dkmjmagxjsud1o9dbbsbajduuu74rsw9 X-Rspamd-Server: rspamout06 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.58 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 60ADD180004 X-Session-Marker: 666640686177616969616E74656C2E6E6574 X-Session-ID: U2FsdGVkX18nxIEaRQukbrH5U0B/PAjJTNo69jXdGrM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hawaiiantel.net; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=opensrs-2024012500; bh=sENgfJnLTApqO6Z1WuX4Hv7SOrDqDlF5frHFCNAtydo=; b=FVI+yoJqdhawkNR7LSfkP/CTxU5x+r/B1HlexDWSlQmcWR7b41Pl5JW8dBOWR5A49S7z91u958TpDCE6FlS3IgXg9c/U2OOeO8ol1KXNsOmOndz0mNFrlYBASLwKY/2AYxWy43TcjB4szEKtqvnRTql9oTAGoIaFuDhRALohmAN+n8kr467KeYQMLawzUciB075fyMIj9W/fxUdOLPu3jjjHKDBUC5btkWRAdtsJ4uePGvzGVm8xAqjdcVtceDhxL9LxSpy+lpOm9MzclLtB4eE9Pcc55UDNQkAvMveUjHaieGmFemrVUaYMvDprlGg0X3bl5HaB42aOrmXPpReKKw== X-HE-Tag: 1738167125-217055 X-HE-Meta: U2FsdGVkX18RTTmVTi7zgI6Xv8LJDkzenTeI4fxm7SnhPyXLKYFJ+7rbIdjI4BoRlr2J2A8h3k5HCwEgrQerqB9yT8HLNJFAyFGubmvRWemyoeZBvl2S6teMTtrhKWfIIQpHJEjq9PA5II3BJHxD8yHTuK4PPOyq+wa6bwrCBXYQYI+yMRf5V5ViRRuZy/i6pN+G2m+2+yqN9pHVtIZDjwd/g/V7Rksb+O3Ap6iSZmLJSOUs4eMVw4t83feHkdrWwRy+FSwck+kuW/2OnW0MG+jIy5hnfqReO/yR+fGCBpmIh6PYolcMOQnxCrmK/2Z90J1dSfz0nx/No5KqZr1wZfJ6x2BKApyxFxXzzrQmPSqYfRpHQcyC3AvOn5Cgqi5R Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:16:29 +0100, Niklas Haas wrote: > I think the most important crux of the problem is a fundamental disagreement > between Michael and the "community" (for lack of a better term) about the role > of the CC (and by extension, the GA). Michael is under the impression that they > (should) serve a mere advisory role, with Michael himself having final say in > matters both technical and non-technical. The "community", on the other hand, > seems to be under the impression that the CC/GA is supposed to have the final > say. > > I think that resolving this core dispute is the only way to quiet these non-stop > discussions, either by making it clear that the CC, TC and GA are merely advisory > with no actual power, or by Michael stepping down and handing control over > ffmpeg.org to the GA (via vote of new root admin). ffmpeg is ran by the community currently, and always has been. ffmpeg has never been ran by a vote. there have always been multiple people in charge of the ffmpeg server. i know, because i've been here for 20 years. we can see how badly something ran by GA vote works right now. with our own eyes. ffmpeg just had a vote for the CC and two developers immediately quit working in the CC. why did we just waste all that time with a vote then? michael is not a supervillain. saying its "michael vs the community" ? please stop with these personal statements against any individual developers in the project on this mailing list. if people are going to fork, then fork. ffmpeg has plenty of active and inactive forks. its not the end of the world. just a fork. i hope a certain vocal subset of people will stop blackmailing this project with the "if we dont get our way, we'll quit/fork" stuff. its not a friendly nor professional ultimatum. -compn _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".