From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EC864CDE7 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2025 21:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F27468BB78; Sun, 26 Jan 2025 23:24:28 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay0.mail.gandi.net (relay0.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.220]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D054568BA74 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2025 23:24:21 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BB834415F for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2025 21:24:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1737926661; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Lzk8Ag1uM8tMA1yFGVZQXZA0PKQvK3QEopQ5YlS4Dpw=; b=JhgS6Ge4jt2wvgYbx5lfyyaga7XGP3UHHnszHjpf3n+lY8iAZKITm/DlahCYOH2YAJaGgS y4jybTN0N6XzxniZi11zo2ygsbpUgEFGuxwRP5x63d5aNVgqhedyXZnET9JMNzyfGSLgLj IgnKwYFbCDcKjvSPcB4tzwCXvTxbec0Tm1Q/yB+eBSwMxp30g90WXrVt/eW+IXHVv45goj TX66VQgnXPpjqzglrKiIJqPJxdGgm/sHFvhCK7h0+l6JCX+Emp+H9HPUiKebJslLvLprko ddaLFBKyrTYibKxm1cQHExNFXAbkjdmMZGY19cC4+Atx/Ox42isYqhDatrTYqQ== Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2025 22:24:20 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250126212420.GR4991@pb2> References: <20250102141731.GR4991@pb2> <20250126150628.GW1904408@pb2> <24478998.ouqheUzb2q@basile.remlab.net> <20250126191713.GQ4991@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -70 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefuddrudejgedguddufeehucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuifetpfffkfdpucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddunecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenfghrlhcuvffnffculdeftddmnecujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtuggjsehgtderredttddvnecuhfhrohhmpefoihgthhgrvghlucfpihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghruceomhhitghhrggvlhesnhhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhdrtggtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeigeektdejudffjefhteegjedtgeettefggedthfejgfevhfetgeekjedtvdfhveenucfkphepgedurdeiiedrieejrdduudefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepgedurdeiiedrieejrdduudefpdhhvghloheplhhotggrlhhhohhsthdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopehffhhmphgvghdquggvvhgvlhesfhhfmhhpvghgrdhorhhg X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9057300826809679707==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============9057300826809679707== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6Tv+pJPi0WEPJpto" Content-Disposition: inline --6Tv+pJPi0WEPJpto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kieran On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 07:39:38PM +0000, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wr= ote: > > I remember such a IRC session before the libav fork. > > It is very similar to this here > > 4+ people, who simply accuse me of everything (on IRC though) > > this serves no purpose. There is no common ground here >=20 > Hi Michael, >=20 > With Anton leaving the project because of you, Paul forking and James > leaving the CC because of your behaviour of banning and censoring, > have you ever considered the problem might be you? do you realize, that iam working on several proposals to improve the governance of FFmpeg ? to make it more robust, more fair and to give a larger set of the community= a voice in the GA ? And that i intend to propose these to the GA for several votes. Thats how a democracy works, propose something and let people choose. Either way iam not done with this, and i dont want to rush it. About Anton, i talked with him, what he wanted is that the GA as it is, make the decission on changes. Thats what i intend to do. He was not at all against having some vote for changes. Maybe he still leaves, the environment is super toxic so i would not be surprised About Paul, i talked with him through many mails over the last year and really tried everything i could think of to convince him to return. Trying to pin everything anyone does on me is very strange. It reminds me of politics. "Whatever happens the other party is responsible" About james, he is still in FFmpeg, still in FFlabs, I hope still in the new CC. And I hope he will stay. And ive talked with him too of course. Also, have you considered that the problem is you and the people on "your s= ide" ? Just what you (plural) did to thilo. You surely noticed he is not posting much on the mailing list anymore. And also he is not in FFlabs meet= ings since a long time. Some people are spreading the story that thilo is stealing money. similar with me, in these threads, all kinds of random invented accusations And many other people left over the years in relation to some aggression =66rom the very same people who attack thilo and me. So, iam sorry to be blunt, but as long as people here attack and accuse everyone they dont like. The responsibility lies on their side. There really are 2 ways forward. We can move forward together or people can fork/leave. Its really that simple, do you (plural) want to be in the same project as me ? Thats something you have to awnser. But you know I wont disappear =66rom these accusations. Its just a way to recruite more people for a fork The community does not want the project to split again. Why dont you put the community above your personal ambitions ? thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB it is not once nor twice but times without number that the same ideas make their appearance in the world. -- Aristotle --6Tv+pJPi0WEPJpto Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZ5aoAAAKCRBhHseHBAsP q+bvAJ4004oGWoi7MksjoycSVg9cMNfVVgCePgNo6SfSYp53Muz640z9aoJnNWE= =MX32 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6Tv+pJPi0WEPJpto-- --===============9057300826809679707== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============9057300826809679707==--