Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization

[Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>]

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Hi Kieran

On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 07:39:38PM +0000, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > I remember such a IRC session before the libav fork.
> > It is very similar to this here
> > 4+ people, who simply accuse me of everything (on IRC though)
> > this serves no purpose. There is no common ground here
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> With Anton leaving the project because of you, Paul forking and James
> leaving the CC because of your behaviour of banning and censoring,
> have you ever considered the problem might be you?

do you realize, that iam working on several proposals to improve
the governance of FFmpeg ?
to make it more robust, more fair and to give a larger set of the community a
voice in the GA ?
And that i intend to propose these to the GA for several votes.
Thats how a democracy works, propose something and let people choose.
Either way iam not done with this, and i dont want to rush it.

About Anton, i talked with him, what he wanted is that the GA as it
is, make the decission on changes. Thats what i intend to do. He was
not at all against having some vote for changes.
Maybe he still leaves, the environment is super toxic so i would not be
surprised

About Paul, i talked with him through many mails over the last year
and really tried everything i could think of to convince him to return.
Trying to pin everything anyone does on me is very strange. It reminds
me of politics. "Whatever happens the other party is responsible"

About james, he is still in FFmpeg, still in FFlabs, I hope still
in the new CC. And I hope he will stay. And ive talked with him too
of course.

Also, have you considered that the problem is you and the people on "your side" ?
Just what you (plural) did to thilo. You surely noticed he is not
posting much on the mailing list anymore. And also he is not in FFlabs meetings
since a long time.
Some people are spreading the story that thilo is stealing money.
similar with me, in these threads, all kinds of random invented accusations

And many other people left over the years in relation to some aggression
from the very same people who attack thilo and me.

So, iam sorry to be blunt, but as long as people here attack and accuse
everyone they dont like. The responsibility lies on their side.

There really are 2 ways forward. We can move forward together or people
can fork/leave.
Its really that simple, do you (plural) want to be in the same project as
me ? Thats something you have to awnser. But you know I wont disappear
from these accusations. Its just a way to recruite more people for a fork

The community does not want the project to split again. Why dont you
put the community above your personal ambitions ?

thx

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