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From: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Cc: cc@ffmpeg.org
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2025 21:26:44 +0100
Message-ID: <20250125202644.GK4991@pb2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22569438.EfDdHjke4D@basile.remlab.net>


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Hi CC

please see my complaints inline below

On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 09:36:50PM +0200, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Le tiistaina 21. tammikuuta 2025, 2.36.47 UTC+2 Michael Niedermayer a écrit :
> > Hi
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 10:38:17AM -0600, Marth64 wrote:
> > > All this time people send back and forth emails attacking each other or
> > > the
> > > project could have spent toward investing in modern DevOps infrastructure
> > > or discussing other advancements.
> > > 
> > > It’s energy-draining to both read and write.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It makes me wonder do folks actually get enjoyment out of the drama?
> > 
> > not me
> > 
> > but what can i do?
> 
> For example, you actually could:
> 
> - Stop complaining about FFmpeg community members attending conferences and 
> discussing FFmpeg (e.g. VDD 2024).

I have not complained about "FFmpeg community members attending conferences and
discussing FFmpeg". Your statement suggests i did that, which i think is not ok


> - Stop making inflammatory metaphores about community members (ditto).

Can you provide links to your implied accusation ?


> - Stop attacking conference organisers and hosts for not accomodating you 
> (e.g. Kwangwoon university faculty).

I have not attacked "Kwangwoon university faculty", this is a strange way
to deflect blame for VDD2024. In a room with several dozend
microphones noone recorded the meeting, its not the fault of the room or
who provided the room.
Also it is not an attack (you can also see that i very intentionally do
not name anyone personally). FFmpeg is a free software project. We have a
open community and are welcoming to new members, meetings should be
open to everyone local and remote and should be recorded so everyone can
listen to them even when they are unable at the exact moment the meeting
happens


> - Stop posting insulting AI-generated pictures about other OSS projects on 
> social media (e.g. VideoLAN, on X).

I have not done that.
I had posted one joke on my personal twitter that i deleted a few hours later
as people seem to have misunderstood it.

Its interresting how a joke on my personal twitter that maybe less than 5 people
saw before it was deleted is used here.
(not to mention it is a copyright violation to spread my art/joke in a way it
 was not intended. It was intended to make people smile and have a laugh. And
 maybe think about issues but not to hurt people)

> - Stop making seemingly false claims about colleagues (e.g. Josh and Marvin),

Can you provide links to your implied accusation ?


[...]

> - Stop making utter lame excuses for the previous point (ditto, and causing 
> James to figuratively lose it).

That sounds like an insult to me


> - Stop defending ...

not sure i did but really, defending someone is reason i get attacked?


> - Stop victimising yourself on the mailing list (e.g. this thread).

That sounds like an insult to me


> - Stop misconstruing people defending themselves, others or their different 
> opinion as "attacks" against you.

That sounds like an insult to me


> - Stop criticising some of your business and/or business partners on the 
> mailing list (i.e. FFlabs).

seriously, really, criticising buisness partners is the problem ?


> - Stop demeaning the GA members, or the active voters within it,

I dont think i have done that
I complain about the structure not the people within.


[...]

> As far as I can tell, most actual attacks against you on this mailing list in
> recent times were in response to your own critics or complaints.

Looking just at the mail you wrote here. Did i cause you to write it ?

thx

[...]
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     [not found]         ` <f5f57e16-8f34-4836-9b46-f31a753dd990@gmail.com>
2025-01-20  1:28           ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-20  6:21             ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-20 15:45 ` Soft Works
2025-01-20 16:15   ` Marth64
2025-01-20 16:38     ` Marth64
2025-01-21  0:36       ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-24 19:36         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-24 21:02           ` Nicolas George
2025-01-25  6:21             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-25  7:55           ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-25 20:26           ` Michael Niedermayer [this message]
2025-01-25 21:08             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-25 21:39             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-25 22:13               ` Marth64
2025-01-25 23:23               ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-25 22:40             ` Marth64
2025-01-26 15:06               ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-26 15:11                 ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-26 16:35                 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-26 17:34                   ` Marth64
2025-01-26 18:07                     ` Marth64
2025-01-26 18:43                       ` Gyan Doshi
2025-01-26 18:51                         ` Marth64
2025-01-26 19:17                     ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-26 19:39                       ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-26 20:40                         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-26 20:51                           ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-26 21:20                             ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-26 22:01                             ` Marth64
2025-01-28 18:21                               ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-29  6:40                                 ` Zhao Zhili
2025-01-29 12:39                                   ` Nicolas George
2025-01-29 15:16                                     ` Niklas Haas
2025-01-29 16:12                                       ` compn
2025-01-29 16:22                                         ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 17:02                                         ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 17:41                                           ` Marth64
2025-01-29 18:26                                             ` Marth64
2025-01-29 19:36                                               ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-29 20:20                                                 ` Marth64
2025-01-29 20:54                                                   ` Nicolas George
2025-01-29 21:08                                                     ` Marth64
2025-01-29 21:45                                                       ` Nicolas George
2025-01-30  6:12                                                         ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-30  8:02                                                           ` Nicolas George
2025-01-30  9:45                                                             ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-31  0:03                                                               ` Soft Works
2025-01-31  0:14                                                                 ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-02-01 13:50                                                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-29 20:04                                         ` Ronald S. Bultje
2025-01-29 21:27                                         ` Niklas Haas
2025-01-29 21:39                                           ` Nicolas George
2025-02-01 14:15                                           ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-29 20:51                                       ` Nicolas George
2025-01-29 21:21                                         ` Niklas Haas
2025-01-29 21:36                                           ` Nicolas George
2025-01-30  6:08                                             ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 23:26                                           ` Soft Works
2025-01-30  6:35                                             ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-30 23:21                                               ` Soft Works
2025-01-31  0:14                                                 ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-31  1:07                                                   ` Soft Works
2025-01-30  9:50                                           ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-02-01 14:46                                           ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-02-01 14:48                                             ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-02-01 15:03                                               ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-02-01 16:10                                                 ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-02-01 15:11                                             ` James Almer
     [not found]                                               ` <dffa122a-f13a-4e95-8210-9053a6832e6a@e-blokos.com>
2025-02-01 16:03                                                 ` James Almer
2025-02-01 20:18                                               ` Nicolas George
2025-02-01 13:44                                       ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-02-01 20:20                                         ` Nicolas George
2025-02-01 21:00                                           ` Soft Works
2025-01-29  9:45                                 ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 10:32                                   ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 10:51                                     ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 11:52                                       ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 14:38                                         ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 15:24                                           ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 16:24                                             ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 16:44                                               ` Soft Works
2025-01-30  8:02                                         ` Tobias Rapp
2025-01-29 16:58                                     ` Marth64
2025-01-29 17:06                                       ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 17:14                                         ` Marth64
2025-01-29 17:22                                           ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 17:38                                             ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-29 18:13                                             ` Soft Works
2025-01-29 18:23                                               ` Marth64
2025-01-29 17:15                                       ` Soft Works
2025-01-26 21:24                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-26 21:41                           ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-27  9:03                           ` Vittorio Giovara
2025-01-20 17:44     ` Soft Works
2025-01-20 18:14       ` Gyan Doshi
2025-01-20 21:04         ` Nicolas George
2025-01-21  0:41         ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-21  6:52           ` Soft Works
2025-01-25 18:04             ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-24 20:01         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-01-20 17:59     ` Nicolas George
2025-01-20 18:18       ` Marth64
2025-01-20 18:46         ` Soft Works
2025-01-20 20:57         ` Nicolas George
2025-01-20 21:08           ` Marth64
2025-01-20 22:20             ` Marth64
2025-01-20 18:23       ` Marth64
2025-01-20 20:50         ` Nicolas George
2025-01-20 21:00           ` Soft Works
2025-01-21  0:55             ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-21  4:29               ` Marth64
2025-01-22 20:51               ` Nicolas George
2025-01-22 22:00                 ` Soft Works

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