From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 868754B8C1 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2025 21:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB20B68B69B; Tue, 21 Jan 2025 23:10:45 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (relay7-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.200]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B29668019F for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2025 23:10:39 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD79E20002 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2025 21:10:38 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1737493838; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=kLtBzp2eNu+AZqrmEq9Itx1RgcKl8zdOl5lkcKDX8wc=; b=JDO/S8yDwiG0F9R2k7BGnbL+ef/55mMsX4c/H2Wn/ana7yDX1/oa50EcVnDtodOWUckjgz 0dEXXYqzohGfdnFTm34J7fg2B1pOMWTByMtcjRDHP3NYwYq68mwxe3Ovh/TFxf5ziIdZxf 9t6q5cifIdggPRR3eipWKv9SoLjvptk4JAI3d2x2DAfe0IqEsKvFO9A4/N7Y/gYFFNnBAK FROjyvP/GGufq8SQhgZoimrteXx/5tbq97o1D6Ebt80gvHqOxyzoYAe0QcJfg5ZJJGKFpb DMGpq5L892fqPOuKS50Q30q2BLBlk6qiSbIZtf1TKWYIs4+Fp52YieR9WgGbAQ== Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 22:10:37 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250121211037.GT4991@pb2> References: <20250121174149.GL4991@pb2> <3b8b62d1-c226-4ac8-9d4d-5e6e94c06de4@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3b8b62d1-c226-4ac8-9d4d-5e6e94c06de4@gmail.com> X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Is the GA democratic ? X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6307757357077203459==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============6307757357077203459== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="D5j3qKNKQGWdGzlH" Content-Disposition: inline --D5j3qKNKQGWdGzlH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 02:53:36PM -0300, James Almer wrote: > On 1/21/2025 2:41 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > Hi > >=20 > > As people likely know i belive it is not but i got a 2nd opinion: > >=20 > >=20 > > I asked chat gpt this: >=20 > You can't possibly be serious. >=20 > > Is it a democracy, if only people can vote who have performed a specifi= c action at least 20 times in the last 3 years? This way 49 of over 2000 pe= ople can only vote >=20 > Michael, please, stop trying to push that number. There are not 2000 acti= ve > contributors. There's 2000 people currently subscribed to the mailing list > for whatever reason, be it sending patches, reviewing patches, because > mailman/pipermail has no RSS, or just to watch the drama. There where 1892 subscribers in 2011, thats 14 years ago also you sound like an aristrocrat looking out of the window and saying there cant possibly be that many common people, I have never seen them in the palace. > Every other day i get an automated email from mailman telling me about two > or three removed subscriptions because of excessive bounces or similar, a= nd > almost always from unusual domains. > I or anyone else could, right now, go and create a hundred disposable ema= il > addresses, and subscribe all of them. Do you want them to be able to cast= a > vote? Can you also create them with email addresses one can find with google which have lifes behind them, are active elsewhere and so on ? >=20 > You can, and i encourage you, to suggest to change the requirements to > access the GA. It can be to make the deadline further into the past, less > upstreamed patches, anything. Being a "member of the commuity" should give them a vote if you want to call it a democracy in relation to the FFmpeg community > You can also, i should remind you, propose people to be part of the GA th= at > don't currently fulfill the requirements. Do you not see the problem here ? Lets just imagine this would be how the US electorate worked Republicans have a majority, they vote in every Republican Democrats have a majority, they vote in every Democrat Whoever is first can end the democracy If you want a democracy, you need fair rules, rules before everyone is equal if you want to give everyone who fixed a bug a vote right, do that dont vote on people thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB If a bugfix only changes things apparently unrelated to the bug with no further explanation, that is a good sign that the bugfix is wrong. --D5j3qKNKQGWdGzlH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZ5ANQwAKCRBhHseHBAsP q+R7AKCCKRvO5hOJi27aFN9h9rIcvpAj7gCfVgiIfMZpslDUTw8I59gba0qHdNs= =rS2x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --D5j3qKNKQGWdGzlH-- --===============6307757357077203459== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============6307757357077203459==--