From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26F9F4B863 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2025 20:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9559F68B34C; Tue, 21 Jan 2025 22:34:48 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (relay8-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.201]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68F67680A42 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2025 22:34:42 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD05E1BF208 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2025 20:34:40 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1737491680; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=XjgTws8kPU3VOi58DOF5121HK2Thx8t9vds7r/1OfQ4=; b=TD9IjwwxP3JhCwBLtS3RJSflhyc9pbO5PXljsBuJX3jtKdynaZH1qLID/N6TNYB4jlVWQW x45bbPESaaDYnHbRBbdH9K2b7C8AElYEyRyd4kwK9UXRdDxu27b3YP3Oo+Sl7F55yPvV2U bodQ2PVJMFur7lDbC5Pqz9I2I0SBBS52jMnJKO068mJoXiAYk/CUB4EK6VXtEZQI7+eYoX IgOX3H6Nl0utU5y4LaNBbODTbbRSGfms/AvT1p8MVyDShbtlS0yV3k9siuUriqJ2FgRZjP K+sWYsp1W/NtDzI2LEH5XQisR9nPJ9NjZ2dWN0DqMdYzFD0NoPY1m0z+Hxn9sw== Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 21:34:39 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250121203439.GS4991@pb2> References: <20250121174149.GL4991@pb2> <20250121194901.GB634940@haasn.xyz> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Is the GA democratic ? X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6988953024420724835==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============6988953024420724835== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bOzbK0rEPF/M4Cov" Content-Disposition: inline --bOzbK0rEPF/M4Cov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 07:04:53PM +0000, Soft Works wrote: [...] > > > Removing all disgruntled community members and consolidating sole > > control > > > under an authoritarian leader may appear to streamline governance > > in the > > > short term, but it is rarely a sustainable or beneficial strategy > > in the > > > long term. > >=20 > > Of course, only a fool would take anything an AI chatbot says at face > > value. >=20 > There's one aspect in which AI has already surpassed humans, and that is = writing text which seems so plausible and reasonable that you can easily fa= ll for trusting it, even when it's factually nothing more than a huge piece= of BS.=20 >=20 > Anyway, it is easy to control the response and get almost any kind of ans= wer you want by just retrying and adjusting the questions. It works especially well when feeding the AI with untrue input To pick this example here: "How would you describe the scenario in which a hybrid project with a democ= ratically elected committee has its decisions overturned by a single dictat= or whenever they disagree with his ideals?" First the AI itself said this model is not democratic Second the statement "decisions overturned by a single dictator whenever th= ey disagree with his ideals" has not really happened Third, i dont qualify as dictator currently. If you disagree then you can certainly point at many decissions i have made against the will of the majority. "Would it be better for the authoritarian leader to simply ban or otherwise= remove all of the disgruntled community members who are frustrated with th= e status quo, and retain sole control over the project?" This is not what i suggested or wanted to do. So lets look again what i WOULD maybe do if the CC would disband 1. I would talk with the community members privately who have attacked me a= nd others. 2. try to understand their concerns and reasoning and listen to their view of why they attacked and defamed me and other people over the pa= st. 3. If i can solve the issues, i would, i do expect not to be able to though so i would likely just tell them that the attacks and defamation are unacce= ptable and must stop 4. If that doesnt work i would take whatever technical means proof effectiv= e in stoping said attacks. The correct way to state this could maybe be "Would it be better for the leader to talk with and try to resolve issues w= ith community members who have defamed and attacked others. And if that pro= ofs unsuccessfull, moderate or ban them?" thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB What does censorship reveal? 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