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From: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Is the GA democratic ?
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 21:34:39 +0100
Message-ID: <20250121203439.GS4991@pb2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM8P223MB036554D98303F5467901AEBCBAE62@DM8P223MB0365.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>


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Hi

On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 07:04:53PM +0000, Soft Works wrote:
[...]
> > > Removing all disgruntled community members and consolidating sole
> > control
> > > under an authoritarian leader may appear to streamline governance
> > in the
> > > short term, but it is rarely a sustainable or beneficial strategy
> > in the
> > > long term.
> > 
> > Of course, only a fool would take anything an AI chatbot says at face
> > value.
> 
> There's one aspect in which AI has already surpassed humans, and that is writing text which seems so plausible and reasonable that you can easily fall for trusting it, even when it's factually nothing more than a huge piece of BS. 
> 
> Anyway, it is easy to control the response and get almost any kind of answer you want by just retrying and adjusting the questions.

It works especially well when feeding the AI with untrue input

To pick this example here:
"How would you describe the scenario in which a hybrid project with a democratically elected committee has its decisions overturned by a single dictator whenever they disagree with his ideals?"

First the AI itself said this model is not democratic
Second the statement "decisions overturned by a single dictator whenever they disagree with his ideals"
has not really happened
Third, i dont qualify as dictator currently.
If you disagree then you can certainly point at many decissions i have made
against the will of the majority.


"Would it be better for the authoritarian leader to simply ban or otherwise remove all of the disgruntled community members who are frustrated with the status quo, and retain sole control over the project?"

This is not what i suggested or wanted to do.
So lets look again what i WOULD maybe do if the CC would disband
1. I would talk with the community members privately who have attacked me and others.
2. try to understand their concerns and reasoning and listen to
their view of why they attacked and defamed me and other people over the past.
3. If i can solve the issues, i would, i do expect not to be able to though
so i would likely just tell them that the attacks and defamation are unacceptable
and must stop
4. If that doesnt work i would take whatever technical means proof effective in
stoping said attacks.

The correct way to state this could maybe be
"Would it be better for the leader to talk with and try to resolve issues with community members who have defamed and attacked others. And if that proofs unsuccessfull, moderate or ban them?"

thx

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      reply	other threads:[~2025-01-21 20:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-21 17:41 Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-21 17:53 ` James Almer
2025-01-21 21:10   ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-21 23:05     ` James Almer
2025-01-22 16:59       ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-01-22 20:00     ` Nicolas George
2025-01-22 20:53       ` Soft Works
2025-01-21 18:13 ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-21 18:57   ` James Almer
2025-01-21 20:24     ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2025-01-21 18:49 ` Niklas Haas
2025-01-21 19:04   ` Soft Works
2025-01-21 20:34     ` Michael Niedermayer [this message]

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