Hi James On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 01:22:52PM -0300, James Almer wrote: > On 1/21/2025 12:54 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > Hi > > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 01:04:45PM +0100, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 14:39:29 -0600 Marth64 wrote: > > > > Hello, in the context of a GA member, > > > > > > > > I think there is general interest in modernizing technical tooling > > > > specifically regarding ML/patch workflow vs. integrated git solution. > > > > Both have their merits. I think what we have today is optimized for > > > > some but cumbersome for many. Like shopping for a drill, it is good to > > > > step back from time to time and ensure we have the right tools. > > > > > > > > I think the problem statement of productivity being impacted from > > > > outgrowing the current tooling is different from who is hosting it. > > > > > > > > These are some options I noticed interest in (in no particular order): > > > > - Forgejo > > > > - GitLab > > > > - Mailing List/Patch Workflow (current solution) > > > > > > Since our last discussion at VDD, I have come to prefer Forgejo over GitLab > > > and would be in favor of hosting an instance on ffmpeg.org. > > > > > > > > What are the current barriers to doing this. Michael, since you said that you > > > are in favor iff the community agrees with it, should we start a GA vote on > > > the matter? > > > > I would instead of a secret GA vote, maybe wait a few days for discussion > > to settle down and then just ask people on the ML about (yes vs no) (strong vs weak) > > and a short paragraph about a switch to Forgejo > > We can always start a Condorcet vote where the requirement is that only > non-anonymous votes are considered, if you think that will help (Maybe it > can even be forced to actually cast your vote?). A vote using mail replies > in a thread with yes/no is hard to follow. we can force non anonymous voting, this isnt the main concern > > Also, the vote can happen after a thread with replies stating support for > one or another solution, with optional argumentation if there's something to > say that hasn't been said already. > > > > > As well as a 2nd question: > > namely on the threshold > > should we switch if we have 51% ? or no strong opposition ? or how to draw > > the line? > > Ideally, there would be two votes. One to open the question if we move away > from ML patches, and then one to choose between Forgejo/Gitlab, if the first > vote succeeds. But i don't know if people will be ok with that. that can be done too or a condorcet of gitlab/Forgejo/ML patches can be done my concern is that the community is not just 49 people. and before people attack me. the choice of Forgejo/gitlab/git send email affects many more than 49 people. Every person submiting a patch or contribution is affected. In fact everyone on ffmpeg-devel is bascially thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Avoid a single point of failure, be that a person or equipment.