From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446C8499A3 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E033368D4F2; Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:08:25 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (relay8-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.201]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CA0368CC21 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:08:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D1571BF20F for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:08:17 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1721826498; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=gz74MKXuXwJm685FOFHJe1Hhr1ZnmsWPMBAwHdBiqnQ=; b=HPSBQKgDQkwc/sK/ptASMa56f0NegY2rIBCmtjuS8QPfyqjHbkIibsluoQFdWxmM8btWwQ fn8eKp/V1ZzWbjuqhHBKeDSNBJFCywQjiCzrt3DEVXGHPXcWWBkwvXtLPdnfgjfrKUcOvB yWXYKgh2p1wSjefr2LIK1jPIF1v/aSFuZJiDApPCc+EyfymA+TCEVzn8WSI6TwUrK9w/rc 7gsw1tiYR/225vhrwr7KVKaYwTQNJHNICqtSi3fCtHrvmgcppq2Qzct9fH5dS99rOBq+Td uOxpXgMcavqlislqoM39tgp052v5Ne33lm4yAVbkgXIwi8wku4Dlfuj18syAcQ== Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:08:17 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20240724130817.GJ4991@pb2> References: <20240723221008.GG4991@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2] avfilter: fix data type for {Tile, Untile}Context's image size X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3669589720501313742==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============3669589720501313742== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="w8qKaGBlRy3nGkPF" Content-Disposition: inline --w8qKaGBlRy3nGkPF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 06:49:04AM +0200, Marvin Scholz (ePirat) wrote: >=20 > > On 24. Jul 2024, at 00:10, Michael Niedermayer = wrote: > >=20 > > =EF=BB=BFOn Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 12:17:43PM -0300, James Almer wrote: > >>> On 7/19/2024 12:31 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > >>> Internal/private filter structures/API changes does not need be menti= oned > >>> in that file, isn't that fact obvious even for average Joe? > >>=20 > >> There's no reason to be condescending or aggressive over something so > >> irrelevant. Is it so hard to just state the APIChanges entry is not ne= eded? > >=20 > > "so irrelevant" sounds condescending to me too > >=20 > > either way, i support pointing out if something sounds rude/condescendi= ng/aggressive > > (theres nothing bad in pointing that out, first step is always being aw= are > > one said something that others find offensive) > >=20 > >=20 > >>=20 > >> I'm writing this representing the CC. This is not the only case you we= re > >> pointlessly aggressive to someone in the past week or so. Consider it a > >> warning before further action is taken. > >=20 > > This part i do not agree with. > > First, i dont think we actually had a majority for a warning, I see 4 o= f 5 > > members of the CC replying but only 2 talking about a warning. > >=20 >=20 >=20 > What a joke is the CC if this is not warning-worthy=E2=80=A6 The question is not if its "warning-worthy", the question is what action creates the best FFmpeg. And also an enviroment we are all happy to work in. Some people do not at all like being warned publically, some people do not at all like having the CC "Breathe into their neck". Some people dont like offensive language What we need is a middle way between all this that makes as many people happy and contributing as possible >=20 > And if you do not point it out in public, it looks like to everyone else = such behavior is tolerated, to everyone else. I think i clearly stated that i do want people to point out offensive sounding things immedeatly in realtime when they happen to the people invol= ved. This has been done in several instances and IIRC it almost always if not al= ways helped with noone being offended. The problem begins with it is done in a threaten= ing tone or "from above". Having authority is ok, emphasizing that authority is not IMHO >=20 > > Also (as i said previously) Politely pointing out to people when they w= rite > > offensive things is a good thing, it has been effective in channeling > > discussions into a positive and friendlier direction, > > especially when done in real time. (You did the previously several times > > successfully) > >=20 > > Adding a "threat" in the form of a warning maybe works for some people = in > > some cases. But in others its more like slapping an already angry guy i= n the face. > > You get slapped harder back then have to punch and get punched back and= then > > things spiral downward. And whetaver the exact outcome its a bad outcome > >=20 >=20 > Having less toxic people in the community is a bad outcome? Ok then we ha= ve different definitions of bad. Bringing a Team that considers some members toxic together and having noone= considered to be toxic is the real goal. Loosing a major volunteer contributor is alre= ady not a good outcome. If some people can absolutely not work together, yes then its better for th= em to part ways. And if they still work both on the same codebase we should ensur= e that their work can still be combined while each side has their own git tree whe= re they can maintain their code without avoidable interference from others. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -- Albert Einstein --w8qKaGBlRy3nGkPF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZqD8vQAKCRBhHseHBAsP q/enAKCOSMvCMB+RJ+h86tosIRTYUAJ/XwCfZNIIOqAEzUgC6wgxh/Ll2m7VBBY= =v43w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --w8qKaGBlRy3nGkPF-- --===============3669589720501313742== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============3669589720501313742==--