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From: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 4/5] lavu/intmath.h: Fix UB in ff_ctz_c() and ff_ctzll_c()
Date: Fri, 31 May 2024 02:41:40 +0200
Message-ID: <20240531004140.GL2821752@pb2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <14560CCC-A959-44E7-A2E8-764DBE6478C0@remlab.net>


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On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 10:54:46AM +0300, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote:
> Can't we just use the compiler built-ins here? AFAIK, they (GCC, LLVM) use the same algorithm if the CPU doesn't support native CTZ. And they will pick the right instruction if CPU does have CTZ.
> 
> I get it that maybe it wasn't working so well 20 years ago, but we've increased compiler version requirements since then.

ffmpeg is written in C not GNU-C nor LLVM-C
so we need to have non buggy C code

A modern compiler should turn a built-in into a efficient piece of code
but so should it recognize that efficient piece of code and turn it into
a single instruction if such exist.

In the end with a modern compiler it shouldnt matter how you write this
a loop, some optimized standard implementation or a built in
the disavantage of a builtin is that it requires #ifs and checks
for each compiler.
So we should go with the simplest/cleanest that reliably produces optimal code
across all supported platforms (and also consider potential future platforms
so we dont have a maintaince nightmare but something that we can write once
and expect it will be close to optimal forever)

Above though is off topic in this thread, which was a bugfix that we need anyway
(also for backporting)

thx

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-31  0:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-29 22:13 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/5] lavu/common.h: Fix UB in av_clipl_int32_c() Tomas Härdin
2024-05-29 22:13 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/5] lavu/common.h: Fix UB in av_clip_intp2_c() Tomas Härdin
2024-05-29 22:24   ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2024-05-29 23:08     ` Tomas Härdin
2024-05-29 22:14 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 3/5] lavu/common.h: Fix UB in av_clip_uintp2_c() Tomas Härdin
2024-05-31  0:27   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-05-29 22:14 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 4/5] lavu/intmath.h: Fix UB in ff_ctz_c() and ff_ctzll_c() Tomas Härdin
2024-05-30  7:54   ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-30  9:50     ` Tomas Härdin
2024-05-30 12:29       ` Hendrik Leppkes
2024-05-30 13:06       ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-30 14:03         ` Tomas Härdin
2024-05-30 14:32           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-31  0:43           ` Ronald S. Bultje
2024-05-31  0:41     ` Michael Niedermayer [this message]
2024-05-31  5:48       ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-31  0:31   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-05-29 22:15 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 5/5] lavu/mathematics: Return early if either a or b is zero Tomas Härdin
2024-05-31  0:22   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-05-31 15:21     ` Tomas Härdin
2024-05-29 22:31 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/5] lavu/common.h: Fix UB in av_clipl_int32_c() Andreas Rheinhardt
2024-05-30  9:48   ` Tomas Härdin
2024-05-30  6:41 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-30  9:40   ` Tomas Härdin
2024-05-30 11:50     ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-30 14:07       ` Tomas Härdin
2024-05-30 14:28         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-30 15:32           ` Tomas Härdin
2024-05-30 15:38             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-31  1:03               ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-06-03  7:32                 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-06-03 21:21                   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-05-30 15:42             ` James Almer
2024-05-30 16:48               ` Tomas Härdin
2024-05-30 17:49                 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-30 19:07                   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-05-30 19:20                     ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-31 15:23                   ` Tomas Härdin
2024-06-14 12:31 ` Tomas Härdin

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