On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 04:33:21PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> On 5/27/2024 4:31 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 09:20:55PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 03:17:15PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> > > > On 5/27/2024 3:11 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 10:15:43AM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> > > > > > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-04-27 02:36:23)
> > > > > > > This allows detecting issues in side data related code, same as what
> > > > > > > framecrc does for before already for packet data itself.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am against this patch. Checksumming side data is a fundamentally wrong
> > > > > > thing to do.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It, or something equivalent is neccessary for regression testing.
> > > > > (and it was you who asked also for the tests i run to be part of
> > > > >    fate. But here you object to it)
> > > > > 
> > > > > You know, not checking side data is not checking it so differences would then not be
> > > > > detected allowing for unintended changes to be introduced (aka bugs)
> > > > 
> > > > You have seen how much code is needed to get hashing to work for all targets
> > > > with some types,
> > > 
> > >   framecrcenc.c |   76 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
> > >   1 file changed, 73 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > 70 more lines of code, in my patch
> > > 
> > > If we need another 70 to handle some corner cases, no idea if we do, thats
> > > still negligible
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > so it does feel like it's not the right thing to do.
> > > 
> > > I dont think i can follow that logic
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > ffprobe (and f_sidedata) are what should be used for actual integrity
> > > > checks.
> > > 
> > > ffprobe cannot test ffmpeg, ffmpeg is a seperate excutable
> > > 
> > > If you suggest that side data should not be tested in FFmpeg while packet.data
> > > should be tested. That position seems inconsistant to me
> > > 
> > > If you suggest that neither side data nor packet.data should be tested in FFmpeg
> > > iam confident that there would be a majority disagreeing.
> > > 
> > > f_sidedata is not at the output of ffmpeg so even if it could test it, it
> > > does not test the ffmpeg output.
> > > We also dont replace running md5sum and framecrc on ffmpeg output by a bitstream
> > > filter.
> > > 
> > > Again, there is need to test what comes out of FFmpeg, thats at the muxer level
> > > thats what framecrcenc does.
> > 
> > There is also an additional aspect
> > and that is efficiency or "time taken by all fate tests"
> > framecrcenc already has all the side data, it costs basically 0 time to print that
> > 
> > any ffprobe based check needs to run everything a 2nd time, so it will be slower
> > 
> > also ffprobe is only good for side data from the demuxer.
> > my patch tests all cases including side data from the encoder or any other
> > source that gets forwarded to the muxer in each testcase.
> 
> We could extend showinfo_bsf to print side data information.

Well, you argued a moment ago that its too much code (in framecrcenc)
its not going to be less code if the same or more detailed information
is printed in a showinfo_bsf

again, my suggestion is that this code should go to where side data is
and then showinfo_bsf, framecrcenc and ffprobe can use it

thx

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