From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3187247A3C for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B3D68D2B0; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:24:38 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (relay9-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.199]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFE6D68BAD8 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:24:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F0002FF803 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:24:29 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1714213470; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=bNSudf77/pTAd1lxg2hgJlmZKSOMLyhI1zKjVw5TOEc=; b=nEvjNMBoExMl6oHomdeN/auooCCTQTsT6Z4rRjAAjVaz1nbNYZuvgTAbcMRebAbGE/yURY hKvAQQZnWWfTP4sj3nJhGbKw3g41nX7cxzhvuKAK6uw2T+1eti1p9Am/FvC3WXzV5Vyrmd pBRCf07HTRX0Qychdje1GfpUNeJS3SXLcb2N+OOY/vOV8nfGZ0YcKqrLISC56UI4RqhKtV TUl2OnuB8wLNsHL5IJLZR2LLOGUOfuZm8thHz31XE5NzpBGhG8xfJDOAx4Wnfp+h/QMRYR z/1BpHAgeAq69hKbk5ryWSSuPEmhNMi3OxUQXyy3MIX4qj+2uVtW4+kecgKBnw== Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:24:28 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20240427102428.GB6420@pb2> References: <20240417135832.GJ6420@pb2> <20240421204008.GZ6420@pb2> <20240424220047.GV6420@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] 5 year plan & Inovation X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4619571375250589640==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============4619571375250589640== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZxmyqH8UpFPBwhYc" Content-Disposition: inline --ZxmyqH8UpFPBwhYc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 08:15:27AM -0700, Vittorio Giovara wrote: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 3:00=E2=80=AFPM Michael Niedermayer > wrote: >=20 > > > Microsoft expanded into new fields with Xbox and Azure, yes. But Wind= ows > > is still an OS, and Office is still a (un)productivity suite. > > > > > > Accordingly, maybe you can innovate with a new project within the same > > legal entity as FFmpeg (be it SPI, FFlabs or whatever). > > > > > > But FFmpeg as a software project is not a suitable venue for radical = new > > innovation. > > > > Microsofts OS does not limit what can be installed to whats in MS main > > repository, FFmpeg does > > > > Microsoft windows from a user POV includes internet explorer IIRC. Its = not > > a seperate > > product from just the legal entity. It was not in the first OS from > > microsoft > > > > microsofts first OS MS-DOS 1.0 ? looks slightly different than the curr= ent > > latest OS. > > There was radical innovation, if one likes MS or hate them. > > > > > > > > > > >You can do the same with apple, google, or others. > > > > > > Sure but you can't do the same with iPhone or Google Search. > > > > of course you can, googles search inovated. Theres a image search a aud= io > > search > > news, travel, shoping. > > These did not exist in the initial google search. And while i dont know= , i > > suspect > > google search is very good at finding google products. > > Google didnt became that big by simply "not being evil" > > > > But lets not assume, lets try, if i search for maps i get > > Google Maps as first entry. > > > > or finance, 2nd entry is https://www.google.com/finance/ > > > > > > And the iphone uses apples operating system and their app store, with > > many apple apps. Check the first iphone and compare it to the latest > > there is huge inovation with what you can do with all the software > > that comes preinstalled and also what you can install later. > > Thats in stark contrast to > > "FFmpeg as a software project is not a suitable venue for radical new > > innovation" > > when did you last use siri with your iphone ? siri was added in > > iphone 4s IIUC. Thats a big change. > > > > I can ultimately only repeat my oppinion. FFmpeg will innovate or FFmpeg > > will stagnate and eventually be replaced by some other project that doe= snt > > have an opposition to innovation. > > > > IMHO we need to find out what direction (of innovation or lack thereof) > > people want. This RFC thread is kind of the first step. > > 2nd step would be a vote. >=20 >=20 > You are kinda comparing apples and oranges, a platform like an OS or a The examples i showed cover a wide range of software (An OS, A office suite, A web browser, an AI assitent, a search engine, web apps, and more) and hardware like a phone, services like cloud For all of them its true that radical innovation was essential for success. our multimedia framework is not a special case relative to above > network or a crypto exchange or a browser based on ffmpeg.exe, and not > because it's impossible but These sound like really bad ideas unrealated to innovation. > because it's the wrong tool for the job - IMHO, this is missing the point a bit A phone originally was a tool to call and talk to someone, to be reachable = by voice communication. Its not a tool to write letters, until it was Its not a tool to browse the internet until it was Its not an assitent you could ask something until it was =2E.. A internet browser originally was a tool to display static text and images maybe some ftp and gopher sprinkled into it. its not a tool to do video chat with , until it was its not a tool to write mails in, until it was its not a tool to submit your patches to git, until it was, ohh wait, i hav= e a deja vue feeling here (and you can continue this list with software, hardware and services from o= ther successfull companies, there is radical innovation everywhere) our repository is also not just the ffmpeg tool, there are libraries and th= eres ffmpeg, ffprobe, ffplay FFmpeg is a whole multimedia framework and there are many things we could i= nnovate on. Also, i agree its important to listen to what the users want. But often wha= t they ask for and what actually would help them most, can be different. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB If you fake or manipulate statistics in a paper in physics you will never get a job again. 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