From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE5848D05 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2024 23:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18DE68D28D; Mon, 25 Mar 2024 01:44:27 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (relay9-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.199]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A838768D230 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2024 01:44:21 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D4250FF802 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2024 23:44:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1711323861; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=x4Bu1BeewNDE3jtB191Lvhj8O4qCRf8Ykf7Tsrh+cCc=; b=TVdElGOn1X30A9DabCKn7abQ7kGD4DDuLCdKES2Mp9lgfrcC1oXo/ZhdxkZM2pG/v1Xg9Z eM5yaNfXZkZKYOhx4rzzXOHOcpmZjc6fn09fynoFmnldV7QYHOJbMmaQCH7EZTqYfV01/2 gsJVheBUzhjk/0vskVBu3Ob5zvngH8SC9sJSVIrhruUo6S0FyxgCeP5ktbJWwUj0SrIQ35 jG12ZQwnc9m/jQRY8H4z/0ZUl8BxBFRacHYC+7XpFb8/b9OzqffEdxsN7LAovtfroRZ43a XHMRSK9T1Y1EJ0FNlrPLy38zcnYmT4Rg4B/h3RqvoJLxGLBVa0h9E/Kl4UqMeQ== Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 00:44:20 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20240324234420.GI6420@pb2> References: <170841737762.27417.14992162535824834057@lain.khirnov.net> <170931439255.29002.12138406678517187858@lain.khirnov.net> <171111197597.7287.15050275581822945754@lain.khirnov.net> <20240324022150.GG6420@pb2> <171128045209.7287.814725259924083330@lain.khirnov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <171128045209.7287.814725259924083330@lain.khirnov.net> X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] clarifying the TC conflict of interest rule X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0297122707047688929==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============0297122707047688929== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TM/klS6dzKnMADtk" Content-Disposition: inline --TM/klS6dzKnMADtk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Anton On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 12:40:52PM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-03-24 03:21:50) > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 01:52:55PM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > > Michael, > >=20 > > > following up on the previous discussion in this thread - if you, > > > personally, would like to vote for a different option than those > > > suggested so far, please propose one. > >=20 > > The goal of the vote is to find the option which most people prefer. > > Not the option that I personally prefer. >=20 > My point is that you should suggest options that you personally prefer, > not invent options for some imaginary people who cannot speak for > themselves. There is no evidence of them existing. >=20 > > You also added 3 options yourself, which i presume you dont all > > intend to vote for yourself >=20 > Keeping the line without change and deleting it entirely seem like > obvious "null" choices to me, but I can remove them if you prefer. Thats exactly my point, you add * your option * several default options you expect not to win * then gyans and nicolas options * and then you refuse to add my 2 suggested options This is not a democratic vote at this point. You have to add my 2 options t= oo >=20 > > Simply omiting opposing options is not how Democracy works >=20 > You're misrepresenting my point. It's not about "opposing" options, I > have no issue with adding those suggested by Nicolas or Gyan. I have an > issue with options that nobody actually wants. this started with you being asked to recuse yourself from a TC vote by multiple people (at least 3 IIRC) and now you want to change the rules after exactly that and its not options that support you nor is it NULL options that you object to. Its also not nicolas suggestion (which is probably too radical to find a majority). That leaves your and gyans suggestion the only 2 that are likely to win. I think the 2 options i list are very good compromise options. They use clearer language (no "should", no rules apply only when one feels it but also no 2 year exclusion) >=20 > > You could discuss with others and try to find a smaller set of options > > that still represent all cases the team may want. >=20 > The discussion already happened. As a member of the team i remember no discussion to reduce the number of op= tions. I remember only you here that you decided by yourself not to include them > We have all the options that actual > people have actually wanted. I certainly am an actual person and i do want my option that iam proposing. > So kindly stop this obstructionism. So kindly add the 2 options i asked for. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB "I am not trying to be anyone's saviour, I'm trying to think about the future and not be sad" - Elon Musk --TM/klS6dzKnMADtk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZgC60AAKCRBhHseHBAsP q4QFAJ9CCYDa9iyVpOOaF+NIJLMvneBULwCghTNhyk8NC2BGzUzSHWKsSa4m3VQ= =rZLW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TM/klS6dzKnMADtk-- --===============0297122707047688929== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============0297122707047688929==--