From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607324996F for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2024 23:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F80068C60C; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 01:27:17 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.198]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9A9568C05A for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 01:27:09 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1FD09C0003 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2024 23:27:08 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1708730829; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ffd54Hxp8Xq3suZO66twXkLyPqowIXiHYTvKMlZXp+Q=; b=B45kQPlxSV2IxMXlEkxWnK5b1fOMo3LIRoBxo5K0udY3D86iqyjgqRFIkwiNeg5zYFXMnD 0f8w8ChA49Q2F18RfHRHCo65Z0P6CtyyZ+63vVavqYQd049FQxvWXw2Z9W8z/uoZLCLUNh b0Ymr7BrTMsp7oARb+da3flKeJUi5aOnUY5f6n4+qcUhp7K5Rcx2o7cyD3oQ40PyRMadCo 5IDBBAf1pgA9MPjpEHM7xOz3+jyZq6ZbKzuCb7FDG0PCf/OKtnMWduEKWZTd3SXOLdzMco NoDn831pcvrR+Iq9If7DX75uoBjFPFEkypv4bSOBK76E6i6g5kcOQDPJ9sq25w== Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 00:27:08 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20240223232708.GJ6420@pb2> References: <170841737762.27417.14992162535824834057@lain.khirnov.net> <170841903359.27417.409422117260058401@lain.khirnov.net> <20240220215033.GB93170@haasn.xyz> <170863646063.27417.10776746571038243119@lain.khirnov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <170863646063.27417.10776746571038243119@lain.khirnov.net> X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] clarifying the TC conflict of interest rule X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6928726301022942845==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============6928726301022942845== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zXKZFsCC95No67MG" Content-Disposition: inline --zXKZFsCC95No67MG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 10:14:20PM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Niklas Haas (2024-02-20 21:50:33) > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:50:33 +0100 Anton Khirnov wr= ote: > > > + Each TC member must vote on such decision according to what is, in = their > > > + view, best for the project. If a TC member is affected by a conflic= t of > > > + interest with regards to the case, they must announce it and recuse > > > + themselves from the TC discussion and vote. A conflict of interest = is > > > + presumed to occur when a TC member has a personal interest (e.g. > > > + financial) in a specific outcome of the case. > >=20 > > My preferred wording would change "If a TC member is" to "If a TC member > > feels they are" and "must" to "should". > >=20 > > I read it as a common sense recommendation, not a legalese text. It is > > ultimately up to the individual to judge whether they are acting in good > > faith or not. >=20 > Okay, that makes sense to me. I am then changing my proposal to: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Each TC member must vote on such decision according to what is, in their > view, best for the project. If a TC member feels they are affected by a > conflict of interest with regards to the case, they should announce it > and recuse themselves from the TC discussion and vote. A conflict of > interest is presumed to occur when a TC member has a personal interest > (e.g. financial) in a specific outcome of the case. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >=20 > If someone wants a "stronger" version of this among the voting options, > feel welcome to propose one. Lets take a look at "the line" "If the disagreement involves a member of the TC, that member should recuse= themselves from the decision." There are 3 obvious choices here: 1: (unchanged) "If the disagreement involves a member of the TC, that membe= r should recuse themselves from the decision." 2: (must) "If the disagreement involves a member of the TC, that membe= r must recuse themselves from the decision." 3: (remove it) "" Thats what the vote should be about IMO. Then seperately, theres the question about the (unrelated) text you want to= add That too has 3 choices 1. (unchanged) "" 2. (should) "conflict of interest ... they should announce it and recuse= themselves ..." 3. (must) "conflict of interest ... they must announce it and recuse= themselves ..." Thats what a 2nd independant vote should be _IF_ we dont already have a unanimous agreement about this. Now honestly why this uses a "should" after apparently this very dissussion here showed that "should" is interpreted differently by different people, i dont know. I mean either we want people to recuse themselves or we dont if specific circumstances apply. It cannot be in the per persons free choice if they recuse themselves in a conflict of interrest. This just makes no sense. ... Ohh i have a financial interrest in the outcome, i dont have to recuse myself, i only "should" ahh ok ... The "Each TC member must vote on such decision according to what is, in the= ir view, best for the project." I suspect you can just propose adding this and without any vote. There may be unanimous agreement for this Thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB I have never wished to cater to the crowd; for what I know they do not approve, and what they approve I do not know. -- Epicurus --zXKZFsCC95No67MG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZdkpyQAKCRBhHseHBAsP qywIAJsH/GqISi5rIh+9715KLpXTByTp2gCfYHpeAl+WCGD4gfQxfzb6zXNrLa8= =x39u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zXKZFsCC95No67MG-- --===============6928726301022942845== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============6928726301022942845==--