From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D0048EB2 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 19:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F27A68D240; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 21:22:03 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (relay5-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.197]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8283868D1A4 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 21:21:56 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8B771C0004 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 19:21:55 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1706556116; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=jpaEoDcYxM7GDxCG0+nMpfcWIejDzNPxYCulHqRBrQk=; b=BV7CRFT+akvpyrKDrqiQuwPW1wd6uIECfuQxvXyD6wnzWk12B8q7IoC4l4nVOW65IHZaj3 M3zBPwOo+8e3zDgw89TVVVHmSL1AtYxFEv872ds+5S44+SyHrO38SxTYlZJuADrKkQGTEZ mZwLUYhyFVQlhZOwcQkVsWZ/0Uufbyv+y9sSaauzU+knfe9lXZJe/L2fzOdlkW9uS1G77a PIxHrn/7N8AsrXRv1C4ysBMPY+CY5XxEBKqeOBLsUR2nh3iWEFHfRozu2FDr2pGTpRJV21 yM3Jha5sgYHlKSQn8FxwUvE/qnDRSGbzQDZsjPRfuhTIptsiLIpZS6Pt7d6nHQ== Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 20:21:55 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20240129192155.GB6420@pb2> References: <20240128032549.GN6420@pb2> <317f44d5-6b91-493e-83db-2e397cdc54e6@gmail.com> <20240129182522.GA6420@pb2> <576026bd-20fb-4fec-a3bb-b649058ab804@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <576026bd-20fb-4fec-a3bb-b649058ab804@gmail.com> X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Sovereign Tech Fund X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2293348729178645016==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============2293348729178645016== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fwoMm750e/OqJ5Gb" Content-Disposition: inline --fwoMm750e/OqJ5Gb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Derek On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 06:37:44PM +0000, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > >> On 1/28/2024 3:25 AM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > >> As others have said, the whole model of using discrete projects here s= eems opposed to > >> the actual intent of the STF - maintained and stable OSS long term. > >=20 > > The whole suggestion here is based on what STF and SPI said. There was = a conference > > between SPI and STF where they worked the details out. > > Also all the things SPI told us had STF in CC. >=20 > What SPI convinced STF is best is not necessarily the same. Thats true, you are absolutely correct. But it also might be the best Thats why one iterates. One starts somewhere, looks at what works, what doe= snt and adjusts. >=20 > Also notably missing here is the community (as in, more than just Thilo) = having > any access to review, comment, or help direct this. You know i wanted this on the ML months ago. Other people believed we need = to wait until everything is known to be possible ... But now the community is here (most are being silent) but thouse not silent= are heared. And we can and will adapt to it. If we get another chance at STF next year or even before that. We can colle= ct all ideas and questions on a wiki page and pass them to STF and SPI. ATM the question is about this feb this year, we have 2 weeks for this appl= ication, thats not much time but it is time, we can certainly adjust things even now if there are specific suggestions. [...] > >> Furthermore, we *already* have a bunch of money sitting in SPI funds t= hat *is* suitable > >> for use on discete projects, but it never gets used. It is a poor way = to encourage useful > >> work, IMO. > >=20 > > Theres a very big difference. we have around 100k USD in SPI > >=20 > > STF has a lower limit of 150.000 =A4 so we actually need to ask them for > > at least 150k to be qualified IIUC > > And honestly if you reject that, i just dont understand you. > > "Estimated costs: The cost of the work described in the application mus= t exceed =A4150,000 (current minimum)." > >=20 > > AT no point could we have done anything with SPI money in a similar > > magnitude. In fact trying to use SPI money for any work failed because = of it > > not being enough. >=20 > I have yet to see an actual project of "this magnitude" materialize as a = proposal. you can suggest one ? or there is nothing you want improved in FFmpeg ? Or only if SPI isnt involved or iam not sure what exactly you want differen= t ? thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty. -- Plato --fwoMm750e/OqJ5Gb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZbf6zwAKCRBhHseHBAsP q0nOAJ99IhfPQwjdKhQ/atDYyANlYhQdfwCdEP007vzES2se2vlqc1HTOvwhxK4= =K3yW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fwoMm750e/OqJ5Gb-- --===============2293348729178645016== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============2293348729178645016==--