From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1D548E88 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 18:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0861D68D226; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 20:11:28 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (relay2-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.194]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A24E68CFA4 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 20:11:21 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 739A440003 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 18:11:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1706551880; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=UTxjmJN7kHDueqcx7+N2OMxbUY3Qt2tqSjFb8OZuu88=; b=g0wmCF3WfgbC2fPmi8uwqCeLoR7IZRI93W+YcP6TQE283yb0yESXuKtSJME/0w9GEhBZtV 4/2hFTbeLKEee3FJ7aCQpZj6UHKt0hjRmbUeu96jpmxktsVR7D86btYVAb5EClXcVCGNwf ZbVVgrEBmQEBwq8FAbpYdcSHlVOpl0akEz4MOFlQQWOytFE3sRhewfpfOAKHS9Zkbe/60C 4grAnJDgP4Mahr/IGVnYfm9p9/uDguen6bMly74Iqhr8zUIH6LFSQp1TggHDKOPRgJzHyr ODYSirXaflGmKynw/GnTMsvveVgZ/L8PrOOyt/Opg7I7yhaqRA2t9iy3aC0ENQ== Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 19:11:19 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20240129181119.GZ6420@pb2> References: <20240128032549.GN6420@pb2> <20240129172714.GY6420@pb2> <3527245.gu6uECoyUc@basile.remlab.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3527245.gu6uECoyUc@basile.remlab.net> X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Sovereign Tech Fund X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0159186069826391852==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============0159186069826391852== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="79yJmXxfh+IGDHgZ" Content-Disposition: inline --79yJmXxfh+IGDHgZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 07:43:17PM +0200, R=E9mi Denis-Courmont wrote: > Le maanantaina 29. tammikuuta 2024, 19.27.14 EET Michael Niedermayer a = =E9crit : > > Also FFmpeg has been part of Google summer of code for many many years > > and also in the past in outreachy. All these projects payed "students" > > for work they did. > > From a legal point of view, these are probably very similar > >=20 > > Mysteriously, there was a total absence of similar drama there. > > I wonder how it could have been possible to do that for over a decade > > with not one instance of drama or problems like here. >=20 > Google funding GSoC students to work on FFmpeg. And nobody objected again= s the=20 > core idea of STF funding developers to work on FFmpeg. >=20 > The "drama" is about how and through whom the funding goes. ok, elaborate please All FFmpeg money has always been handled through SPI or associated entities Its under the control of the community and its transparent and the take 0% fee. And very important what do you propose ? Should we reject the maybe 200k =A4 grant we could get from STF now ? I mean is that really what people suggest here ? Not to mention we will end up with SPI or another similar entity again after long discussions and votes. There is no majority for a intransparent corporate entity. And i was looking for a EU entity similar to SPI myself since a long time Iam sure there are some but i failed to find them. The one we used previously is not usable ATM. Others i found take non zero fees. And again "for profit entities" have opposition > That drama > couldn't be had for GSoC because how was however Google decides, and ther= e was=20 > no intermediary to go through (money went straight from Google to the=20 > students). SPI handles all the GSoC mentor money. And lets just assume it would handle the students money too, what difference would that really make ? thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Observe your enemies, for they first find out your faults. -- Antisthenes --79yJmXxfh+IGDHgZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZbfqRAAKCRBhHseHBAsP qyUAAJ9NAqkfZMpHsTeNXMJ5qxW4PBCovwCfUoMm2P9cV7BRx9k/Z18ZAzKjIJA= =5kaz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --79yJmXxfh+IGDHgZ-- --===============0159186069826391852== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============0159186069826391852==--