From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72F540D3A for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 21:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADCC68CC88; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 23:39:02 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.198]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A84468CC09 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 23:39:01 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BDD1AC0002 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 21:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 22:38:59 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20231112213859.GH3543730@pb2> References: <2e3245e3-e71d-4f17-9c5b-ba2087d30049@mail.de> <2aa864c8-b15c-4ad8-9642-0f4982ee4721@mail.de> <20231112173145.GF3543730@pb2> <4586f9ba-9b08-43b2-b577-fa701514be44@app.fastmail.com> <20231112180231.GG3543730@pb2> <169981404711.11195.4980538057546375341@lain.khirnov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <169981404711.11195.4980538057546375341@lain.khirnov.net> X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Repeat vote: GA voters list updates X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4013077408073651850==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============4013077408073651850== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2iiP52q3Vj3saMQz" Content-Disposition: inline --2iiP52q3Vj3saMQz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 07:34:07PM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-11-12 19:02:31) > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 06:43:28PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, at 18:31, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:03:21AM -0300, James Almer wrote: > > > >> On 11/12/2023 10:59 AM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > > > >> > I will also start the repeat vote now and everybody can hold the= ir > > > >> > horses before going to flamewar. Depending on JB's explanations,= he > > > >> > might still prove that the old vote is valid and this repeat vote > > > >> > becomes void. > > > >>=20 > > > >> Or you could have waited for his answer before doing the vote, don= 't you > > > >> think? Now people got a new vote email that may or may not be vali= d at all. > > > > > > > > I hope this new vote will result in the same winner as the last > > > > because otherwise we will have more questions and accusations > > >=20 > > > Multiple people (including myself) have already posted their voting U= RLs publicly > > > so this 'vote' outcome will be extremely questionable at best. > >=20 > > i saw it. > > I guess its your right to protest that way, its your ballot > >=20 > > its a bit unfortunate. > > i have not really finished investigating what exactly happened in the > > previous vote, but more information is still trickling in. > > There where mistakes made in the previous vote though i doubt they > > affected the outcome, but i do not know >=20 > There were mistakes made in this "vote" as well. Even disregarding the > question of its legitimacy, Thilo's list had two duplicates. After > removing them (which it's not clear whether Thilo did - so much for > transparency), it was identical to JB's list except for Thilo's having > three fewer entries. >=20 > One is Gautam, who AFAICT has not had any contact with the project > since 2020. >=20 > One is Ting Fu, whose Intel mailbox no longer exists, and so his > presence or absence on the list does not matter as he cannot receive the > voting link. >=20 > One is Thilo himself, who was added to the list after his assertion that > he voted in 2020 and so should vote now [1]. In other words, he asked to = be > added to the list and then used his presence on it to argue that the > list is invalid. Draw your own conclusions about this. >=20 > Overall I simply do not see how is stoking the flames and feeding the > drama supposed to help the project. The main issue is that we, as a > project, failed in 2020 to make the process sufficiently clear, so any > voter list can be questioned. Thankfully it does not matter, because the > result of the vote was so overwhelmingly in favor of one option, that > none of the proposed alternative lists could possibly change it. >=20 > I would thus propose to end wasting time on meaningless arguments and > move on to something actually productive, like reviews, patches, and the > rest of the two proposed votes. i agree i still am working on my investigation of the previous vote and i think i want to show this to a few people before posting it here so it gets a bit peer review first. (also i dont want to post it deeply in a random thread as noone will find that again) (its a very simple terse list ATM) I see through your list above that you are qualified to review this so i will send it to you :) >=20 > > I think anton, thilo and jb should have paused the votes and waited > > until we fully understand the previous votes issues. > > now it becomes only more messy > > previous vote, repeat vote, some agree some disagree thats the right pa= th > > next votes following on top of ? > > some calls to changes to vote admin, some calls to change vote supervis= er > > some calls to change server > >=20 > > in a week we have 8 servers 16 vote admins 32 vote supervisers and 64 > > different outcomes of the previous vote > >=20 > > we can get rich by renting out all that vote infra we soon will have ;) >=20 > The only reason to have our own vote server in the first place was that > the one run by its author [2] did not implement proportional > representation at the time. That has now changed, so I propose we simply > switch to it. Thilo has fixed the email loging after the last vote. So from now on we will know exactly who get a vote email. This is a big advantage to avoid the sort of mess we have ATM thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Elect your leaders based on what they did after the last election, not based on what they say before an election. --2iiP52q3Vj3saMQz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZVFF8AAKCRBhHseHBAsP q6AtAJwN04izvCrDQODsGMi2UwSM8Cbi7wCgjWAA/tV43RJADmBQriJ/NSdJHco= =2xJK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2iiP52q3Vj3saMQz-- --===============4013077408073651850== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============4013077408073651850==--