From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4F3481E7 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B0668CC51; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 19:14:20 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (relay9-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.199]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9C9568C74E for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 19:14:13 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3BE88FF803 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 18:14:09 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20231112171409.GD3543730@pb2> References: <20231109174153.GB3543730@pb2> <4683214.UXO7NAtAyn@basile.remlab.net> <20231109181535.GD3543730@pb2> <1c1c9a24-780c-4db6-8365-07da86d17a12@betaapp.fastmail.com> <20231109224938.GI3543730@pb2> <20231111022435.GS3543730@pb2> <20231111172854.GV3543730@pb2> <169972711353.11195.13206204659807992351@lain.khirnov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <169972711353.11195.13206204659807992351@lain.khirnov.net> X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming vote: extra members for GA X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9207336213887231480==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============9207336213887231480== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FNQCybDjvEar1Xz/" Content-Disposition: inline --FNQCybDjvEar1Xz/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 07:25:13PM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-11-11 18:28:54) > > There was a swift and defensive reaction from multiple people when > > i suggested to nominate several of the main authors of FFmpeg to the GA. > > (Who many people have had no contact with for many years and many proba= bly > > never had) > >=20 > > People who interact regularly even if they dont like each other dont re= act > > that way. > > ive over the last decades seen this behavior commonly occur when one gr= oup is > > confronted with the potential introduction to their territory of anothe= r group > > they have had little recent contact. > >=20 > > This seems a fundamental, unconcious and instinctive reaction humans ha= ve. > > I called it Xenophobia, cuz it seemed like a similar concept. > >=20 > > Do you disagree ? (not about the term but this sort of behavior is happ= ening) >=20 > Consider the following alternative explanation. Our rules say: > The General Assembly is made up of active contributors. >=20 > Many of the people you have proposed for GA are by your own admission > inactive. yes. It is normal that "inactive" people have a vote. Its true for every democratic country iam aware of. But more so that the major Authors have a say in a General assembly about their work. > In other words, you are deliberately trying to subvert the > intent of the rules. no, the GA can change the rules entirely if it wants. I can change neither the rules nor the GA. I can propose 20 people and the GA can tell me no an all. what IS trying to subvert the process is people trying to prevent a GA vote about it. > Why should it be surprising that people have a > strongly negative reaction to that? i guess it was not that "surprising" if one thinks about it >=20 > Also, you have just implied that people disagreeing with you are > unthinking zombies driven by their subconscious insticts. That is a VERY > rude thing to say about someone. you are accusing me of something here that i have not said and not meant. psychology is not about "unthinking zombies driven by their subconscious insticts" "Psychology is the study of mind and behavior in humans and non-humans. Psychology includes the study of conscious and unconscious phenomena, including feelings and thoughts." Maybe it was a bad idea to discuss psychology during a already heated mail thread. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny=20 individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities. - Ayn Rand --FNQCybDjvEar1Xz/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZVEH2gAKCRBhHseHBAsP q7oRAJ9xwama3tCIegxlclFzYuzPCFFdbgCghKoYg2Sc+33t82q7dOdH/7hPKFo= =LRsj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FNQCybDjvEar1Xz/-- --===============9207336213887231480== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============9207336213887231480==--