From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AFA47369 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2023 12:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3806868CEC6; Sun, 5 Nov 2023 14:18:39 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (relay2-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.194]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3674068CEB1 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2023 14:18:32 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 254A340002 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2023 12:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 13:18:30 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20231105121830.GM3543730@pb2> References: <169818211998.11195.16532637803201641594@lain.khirnov.net> <169857199222.11195.9532846278486176911@lain.khirnov.net> <20231102195346.GA3543730@pb2> <169912069109.11195.4515022163559297891@lain.khirnov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <169912069109.11195.4515022163559297891@lain.khirnov.net> X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5526098851656182281==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============5526098851656182281== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="32UtFQYWQPZYw8nj" Content-Disposition: inline --32UtFQYWQPZYw8nj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 04, 2023 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-11-02 20:53:46) > > On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 10:33:12AM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > updating the answers according to received comments: > > >=20 > > > vote question (unchanged): > > > How do we update the list of active members of the general assemb= ly? > > >=20 > > > Available answers: > > > * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July, 0:00 UTC); > > > as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after th= is > > > vote > > > (suggested at VDD, added time and the exceptional update clause) > >=20 > > > * before each vote > > > (suggested at VDD) > >=20 > > This is not well defined > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well-defined_expression > >=20 > > "before each vote" is not a single unique point in time > >=20 > > First what is meant by "vote", theres a annoucement of some > > intend to make a vote, there would be a discussion, there could > > be a 2nd annoucement theres a period where people can propose > > new options. Then the vote start is announced at some point > > the actual vote start then also happens. > >=20 > > So we have many reference points > > then "before" is everything before, even a year is "before" > >=20 > > and exactly at the time when the vote actually starts is impossible > > because at that time the list must already be known and entered > > into the vote system > >=20 > > I guess this doesnt matter if the option doesnt win ... >=20 > It seems obvious to me that the intent is "generate the list immediately > before the starting the vote". iam sure if it is obvious to you that will prevent disagreements and also that "immediately before" is a well defined physical point in time is 1 minute before "immediately before" ? (not sure that can be done) is 1 second before "immediately before" ? (though this is not doable in pra= ctice) is 1 hour before "immediately before" ? is 1 day before "immediately before" ? is 1 week before "immediately before" ? is 1 month before "immediately before" ? is 1 year before "immediately before" ? > Since the script generating the voter > list has a granularity of one day, it does not matter at what precise > instant is the list generated, as long as it is on the same day as > starting the vote. How did you conclude this to be true ? (obviously its not true but iam curious) but try yourself: (all in one day you will get 2 differnt GAs) git init for i in `seq 20` ; do echo A >> A ; git add A ; git commit --author 'mitch= ikaku A' -m message ; done perl ../tools/general_assembly.pl # 2023-11-05 edc68c67988928560757eb624adeaf645b90740d mitchikaku for i in `seq 20` ; do echo A >> A ; git add A ; git commit --author 'kei <= kei@silly-movies.test> A' -m message ; done perl ../tools/general_assembly.pl # 2023-11-05 3a39fd2af355a78c8e7eddae03f1fc056e100014 kei mitchikaku thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Some people wanted to paint the bikeshed green, some blue and some pink. People argued and fought, when they finally agreed, only rust was left. --32UtFQYWQPZYw8nj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZUeIEgAKCRBhHseHBAsP q/t/AJ9EGmBxR6eR5lGjjMDPJBGU1DWJmACdGKttH64K/AoOTXiH0C/CO6Mk8nQ= =/20H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --32UtFQYWQPZYw8nj-- --===============5526098851656182281== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============5526098851656182281==--