From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A3C47EF1 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4C568CD70; Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:49:06 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (relay9-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.199]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4F7F68CBC3 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:48:59 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3520FFF803 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2023 18:48:58 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20231031174858.GU3543730@pb2> References: <20231026154523.GI3543730@pb2> <4840683.0No5S2iab6@basile.remlab.net> <20231031165857.GS3543730@pb2> <11636681.Ym9DyglL2l@basile.remlab.net> <20231031173107.GT3543730@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] financial sustainability Plan A (SPI) X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3893734613890123777==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============3893734613890123777== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nEnLI4DEwQ1vikwk" Content-Disposition: inline --nEnLI4DEwQ1vikwk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 06:37:58PM +0100, Hendrik Leppkes wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 6:31=E2=80=AFPM Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 07:19:41PM +0200, R=C3=A9mi Denis-Courmont wrot= e: > > > Le tiistaina 31. lokakuuta 2023, 18.58.57 EET Michael Niedermayer a = =C3=A9crit : > > > > > That's not a credible solution for a library. All reverse depende= ncy > > > > > developers would disable that before they ship affected FFmpeg ve= rsions, > > > > > or worse, just stop updating their vendored FFmpeg. > > > > > > > > If its announced and we point to the commit, maybe half the minor u= sers > > > > will remove it, maybe most of the bigger ones. If its not announced > > > > noone would remove it. companies do not audit the FFmpeg commits. > > > > They would remove it after seeing it but at that point it did what = it > > > > intended to to, inform users again, like i said thats hypothetical = and > > > > controversal. But basically doing the same as companies which put > > > > advertisements in without asking either creator nor viewer. > > > > > > How do you show ads without a GUI? Hijack the video signal from the d= ecoder? > > > > In this very very hypothetical idea ... > > it would not be a add, but a simple information box shown briefly that = says > > something like "decoded with ffmpeg.org, donate if you enjoy" / "encode= d with ffmpeg.org, donate if you enjoy" > > >=20 > If as a professional user of a decoder library, it starts putting in > an ad or a watermark or whatever you want to call it, even if briefly, > i'm looking for a new decoder library, or will venture to remove the > message instantly. > And if that wasn't enough to completely destroy the projects > reputation, if you then try to hide it by randomizing or whatever, so > that testing before deployment doesn't see it, that definitely will. >=20 > This is not acceptable behavior for a decoder. And no "exposure" due like i said, its a hypothetical and controversal thought experiment > to bad press will actually yield you a benefit. > Companies won't pay > you, because that doesn't get rid of the message. That misses the goal, the goal of this was to reach some of the more than 1 billion users we have and who do not know they are using FFmpeg. > They'll pay an > engineer to disable it. it would just show up once lets say on a specific day 1 year after the code is added. we would remove it on that day ourselfs. It would just be a simple one time shown message that says "Decoded by ffmpeg.org / Please donate, if you enjoy" thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Into a blind darkness they enter who follow after the Ignorance, they as if into a greater darkness enter who devote themselves to the Knowledge alone. -- Isha Upanishad --nEnLI4DEwQ1vikwk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZUE+BgAKCRBhHseHBAsP q8cgAJ40JabniOukzt8sMHgRLP24ay4LnwCfbZG42G7AG20Nl9Amuu1J8oDZit8= =UhfM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nEnLI4DEwQ1vikwk-- --===============3893734613890123777== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============3893734613890123777==--