From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25990479C8 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 20:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6116A68CB30; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 23:46:46 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.196]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC16C68C972 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 23:46:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7C1EE0002 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 20:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 22:46:37 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20231028204637.GF3543730@pb2> References: <20231026154523.GI3543730@pb2> <4c66cd67-88fb-0702-8cc2-af8968f81791@mail.de> <20231028172103.GD3543730@pb2> <20231028180157.GE3543730@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20231028180157.GE3543730@pb2> X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] financial sustainability Plan A (SPI) X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3632105643101862485==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============3632105643101862485== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VjprKQ3vPme4F6Ut" Content-Disposition: inline --VjprKQ3vPme4F6Ut Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 08:01:57PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 07:21:03PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > Hi ronald > >=20 > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 12:43:15PM -0400, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: > > > Hi Thilo, > > >=20 > > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 11:31=E2=80=AFAM Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-de= vel < > > > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote: > > >=20 > > > > What this is about, is to set up a way to properly spend the SPI mo= ney > > > > aside > > > > from travel & hw. Why we should not do it because some companies > > > > beurocracy, I > > > > cannot see. > > > > > > >=20 > > > I sincerely don't think the above description is what Kieran meant wh= en he > > > talked about sustainability at Demuxed, which this thread seems to be= a > > > response to. > >=20 > > a quick reply here. I have not watched kierans presentation from demuxe= d yet. > > So theres absolutly no chance anything i wrote till now can be a respon= e to > > it. >=20 > some more words about what the intend of this plan was, again not a respo= ne > to any presentation of anyone else >=20 > Donations from people vs companies: both really. >=20 > Peoples donations would only matter if we can increase awareness of people > using FFmpeg. We have over a billion users but they dont know it. > if each user gives us 1cent per year our sustainability is solved. > So driving awareness alone would solve this already, even if only 0.1% > of users would donate 10$ per year that would do. >=20 > companies? > will any company donate 500k$ per year into SPI? Most companies will be > very hesitatnt before seeing us using funds effectively from SPI. > Thats why we need to show this > And yes many companies will prefer doing it over a company > But some will favor a donation to 501(3) where everything is transparent. >=20 > I cannot understand the hostility that kieran has towards this plan. > And i find his toxicity towards it very troubbling It seems this can be understood in a offensive way that was not intended What i meant is that i find it troubbling that kieran not just opposes the = proposal but seems to try to kill it. again sorry, i had not intended this to read in a offensive way, iam not sure how i missed this before sending the mail [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Some people wanted to paint the bikeshed green, some blue and some pink. People argued and fought, when they finally agreed, only rust was left. --VjprKQ3vPme4F6Ut Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZT1zKgAKCRBhHseHBAsP q1R1AJ0Qi+kZurukoA04fgycCJ4fj707AwCcCgu5TnbNzMpWV/cuQesUpg3c0l8= =oycP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VjprKQ3vPme4F6Ut-- --===============3632105643101862485== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============3632105643101862485==--