On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 08:01:57PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 07:21:03PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > Hi ronald
> > 
> > On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 12:43:15PM -0400, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
> > > Hi Thilo,
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 11:31 AM Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel <
> > > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > What this is about, is to set up a way to properly spend the SPI money
> > > > aside
> > > > from travel & hw. Why we should not do it because some companies
> > > > beurocracy, I
> > > > cannot see.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I sincerely don't think the above description is what Kieran meant when he
> > > talked about sustainability at Demuxed, which this thread seems to be a
> > > response to.
> > 
> > a quick reply here. I have not watched kierans presentation from demuxed yet.
> > So theres absolutly no chance anything i wrote till now can be a respone to
> > it.
> 
> some more words about what the intend of this plan was, again not a respone
> to any presentation of anyone else
> 
> Donations from people vs companies: both really.
> 
> Peoples donations would only matter if we can increase awareness of people
> using FFmpeg. We have over a billion users but they dont know it.
> if each user gives us 1cent per year our sustainability is solved.
> So driving awareness alone would solve this already, even if only 0.1%
> of users would donate 10$ per year that would do.
> 
> companies?
> will any company donate 500k$ per year into SPI? Most companies will be
> very hesitatnt before seeing us using funds effectively from SPI.
> Thats why we need to show this
> And yes many companies will prefer doing it over a company
> But some will favor a donation to 501(3) where everything is transparent.
> 

> I cannot understand the hostility that kieran has towards this plan.
> And i find his toxicity towards it very troubbling

It seems this can be understood in a offensive way
that was not intended
What i meant is that i find it troubbling that kieran not just opposes the proposal but seems to try to kill it.

again sorry, i had not intended this to read in a offensive way, iam
not sure how i missed this before sending the mail

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