From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908594790C for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2023 15:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6603068CB4A; Fri, 27 Oct 2023 18:08:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (relay8-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.201]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87ED168CAA4 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2023 18:08:31 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB8C11BF205 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2023 15:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2023 17:08:29 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20231027150829.GS3543730@pb2> References: <20231026154523.GI3543730@pb2> <20231027123245.GR3543730@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] financial sustainability Plan A (SPI) X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1656659799818670938==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============1656659799818670938== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Zdn1EufbR5ZJNaik" Content-Disposition: inline --Zdn1EufbR5ZJNaik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 06:46:42AM -0700, Kieran Kunhya wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 at 05:32, Michael Niedermayer > wrote: >=20 > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 01:43:34PM +0300, R=E9mi Denis-Courmont wrote: > > > > > > > > > Le 26 octobre 2023 18:45:23 GMT+03:00, Michael Niedermayer < > > michael@niedermayer.cc> a =E9crit : > > [...] > > > >* If you have some flashy FFmpeg project you want to work on with a > > cost of > > > > between 5-15k $ then propose it on the mailing list, make yourself > > ready for > > > > some paperwork complexities and some public debate as thats the fi= rst > > time we > > > > try this, there will be extra issues likely. > > > > > > I don't think that code bounties count toward OSS "sustainability". I= t's > > condoning the so-called jig economy, which is the opposite, IMO. > > > > This is just a first step. > > If we can attract the financial resources to pay people in a repeated > > fashion > > "each month" then thats absolutely what id like to do with SPI > > >=20 > The thing we need for "sustainability" is someone to work full-time on > maintenance work yes, I think we all know and agree on that > like YUVJ removal iam not sure thats a good example, but anyway > that doesn't get done otherwise yes > (literally we have talked about this for the last five or more years). And thats great, but you know "talk" isnt good enough > Nor > would any company fund it as a bounty as it provides no benefit to them. now ive seen contracts and such but there are NDAs so i cannot give anything specific but this is wrong. Companies do care and fund some things that do not give an immedeate benefit to them but are rather things for the long term of the project (which will beneift the company only over time) > This is the complete opposite of "some flashy FFmpeg project". yes, let me spell my plan out again (which is bassed in fact on previous suggestions from others) 1. fund some flashy FFmpeg projects 2. seek more donations (explain its for sustainability and full time payments if possible and smaller but important areas (flashy projects) w= hen its not enough for full time payments) do 1+2 in parallel, 1. helps 2. 3. if we manage to receive a steady stream of donations that can support part time or full time development, use it for that. The flashy stuff is to get started, we cannot pay people full time with a o= ne time budget of 150k$. we can pay several people with that if we can get that in = donations per year. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Asymptotically faster algorithms should always be preferred if you have asymptotical amounts of data --Zdn1EufbR5ZJNaik Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZTvSagAKCRBhHseHBAsP q5CAAJ4ikUepdmRqKYyDhmjFt9p6gGA+DwCePyl9lOokiGDt6cBORd2tq6OODOU= =BCo1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Zdn1EufbR5ZJNaik-- --===============1656659799818670938== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============1656659799818670938==--