From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B3D47DDC for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2023 12:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F3268CB2C; Fri, 27 Oct 2023 15:21:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (relay5-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.197]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C703668CA61 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2023 15:20:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB7D41C0007 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2023 12:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2023 14:20:58 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20231027122058.GP3543730@pb2> References: <20231026154523.GI3543730@pb2> <9dc06c51-3aa0-3b71-b0a6-12a5e4cfe662@mail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] financial sustainability Plan A (SPI) X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4933965115252179926==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============4933965115252179926== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eqDjBS1E1Fd5zRIi" Content-Disposition: inline --eqDjBS1E1Fd5zRIi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 06:28:25PM -0700, Kieran Kunhya wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 at 12:41, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel < > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote: >=20 > > Of course. FFmpeg has a donations account. So the money is already there > > and > > already used for the reimbursement requests. Whatever we spent it for > > needs to > > be decided by the community. Spending more money instead of just watch = it > > growing is a good thing. That this will lead to more "disaster" is an > > assumption > > without basis. Even if this does happen and fails, its still better than > > not > > having even tried. > > >=20 > Reimbursement requests for clearly defined things like travel costs with > receipts, or hardware that the project owns is in no way comparable to > consulting work, contracts, statements of work etc. And the current swsca= le > proposal is far from this too. [...] > Agreement via mailing list for money is a recipe for disaster. What we ne= ed > are clear statements of work that are voted on by TC. > We can't even agree on patch reviews, throwing money into the mix is > throwing gasoline into the fire. GSoC pays about 5000USD for each individual over the summer. The proposals for such projects where discussed and agreed upon with very little if any disagreement. We needed no formal votes, we needed no comittees and also for patches, you can pick out the 10 most controversal ones in a y= ear and these are highly vissible, but there are thousands that are reviewed and applied by consensus with noone objecting. You seem to pick the most controversal things as reference, and argue that it cant work. 1 of a 100 patches got stuck in fights so 90 of 100 funding proposals would get stuck ? Now we still have no proposals for SPI money, but assume we do. either we all agree or theres someone who publically objects, in the later case we will first try to reach an agreement if that fails. We can vote, its not a big deal. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB If you think the mosad wants you dead since a long time then you are either wrong or dead since a long time. --eqDjBS1E1Fd5zRIi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZTurJgAKCRBhHseHBAsP q5knAJ9nJvsKxhROo+Eqd4KB23PDCQUOsACgnDow7/hTfFvBWplL+FZ153CC9No= =41wx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eqDjBS1E1Fd5zRIi-- --===============4933965115252179926== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============4933965115252179926==--