From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E01F474DC for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2023 17:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5D068CA0B; Tue, 10 Oct 2023 20:33:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (relay5-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.197]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB37668C87E for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2023 20:33:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 30A6D1C0005 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2023 17:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2023 19:33:44 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20231010173344.GJ3543730@pb2> References: <20231010115645.GE3543730@pb2> <169694117745.6638.18128071000996447834@lain.khirnov.net> <20231010132142.GH3543730@pb2> <169694510260.6638.17783553997827600815@lain.khirnov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <169694510260.6638.17783553997827600815@lain.khirnov.net> X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] AG (GA?) VOTE X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8160736577449733743==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============8160736577449733743== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WK7GFmZHL0+Wby+V" Content-Disposition: inline --WK7GFmZHL0+Wby+V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 03:38:22PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-10-10 15:21:42) > > On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 02:32:57PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-10-10 13:56:45) > > > > Hi all > > > >=20 > > > > a vote on the General Assembly composition was apparently initiated= with > > > > a duration of 6 days, i saw this in my inbox: > > > > "1009 23:49 Jean-Baptiste K (3,4K) Poll: FFmpeg AG members rules" > > > >=20 > > > > There was no real prior discussion on the mailing list about this. > > > > There are 2 choices which are similar > > > > (update the list before each vote and update it twice a year) > > > > And a 3rd option that is probably not what the "opposition" wants I= think > > > > (use the 2020 version, never update) > > >=20 > > > "opposition"? > > > Who is this opposition, who are they opposed to, and why the scare qu= otes? > >=20 > > Ive added the "" because i think there is no real opposition > >=20 > > But there are people who loose their vote rights with this vote. > > So if they vote for the obvious options they kind of self castrate > >=20 > > for them this looks like > >=20 > > 1. cut off my tail > > 2. cut off my balls > > 3. stop new developers after 2020 from having vote rights > >=20 > > This must just looks like a choice between tea, window and airplane for > > some people, if you know what i mean > >=20 > > (and yes it seems my humour is modulated by lack of reasonable sleep) >=20 > You're supposing everyone wants voting rights. That is not so in my > experience - I talked to multiple semi/formerly-active developers who > believe they should not have voting rights on account of not being > active enough. Id like to talk to them ;) And thats what id like to say: I think its perfectly reasonable to choose not to vote if one is inactive. But to choose to cut ones fingers off so one cannot vote even when a critic= al need arrises is something different. >=20 > And for people who do want voting right - gathering and maintaining the > required commit count requires only a very modest effort. So if someone > loses voting rights then it can only be because they don't care enough > about having them. Alot of things require only modest effort and we care about them still we fail to do them I think one reason is all these modest efforts add up to be not modest anym= ore another is keeping track of everything one needs to do If the world is empty and there is just FFmpeg and a developer in it then y= es i agree with your statement fully bad example but imagine one would have to pick up trash from teh street 20 times to get a r= ight to vote in the next gov. election. How many people would do that? How many = people would regret when they then cannot vote ? I dont think people look ahead enough to say "i care about FFmpeg" i better= make sure i keep my vote rights and do 20 commits. I would expect it to be rather "WTF we have a vote about putting a VPN add = and installer on ffmpeg.org" let me ohhh uhh i have no vote rights!? thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB The misfortune of the wise is better than the prosperity of the fool. -- Epicurus --WK7GFmZHL0+Wby+V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZSWK9AAKCRBhHseHBAsP q0MFAJ0TS8cRdBN5dRlsM86IP07t++K5sACeJ/jO/zbjhPpDLSXt7TOqBo8Z0i0= =pomg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WK7GFmZHL0+Wby+V-- --===============8160736577449733743== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============8160736577449733743==--