From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D03346141 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2023 18:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4356268CC10; Thu, 5 Oct 2023 21:33:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (relay1-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.193]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B1FD68C96F for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2023 21:33:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6CC0D240002 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2023 18:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2023 20:33:16 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20231005183316.GO3543730@pb2> References: <20230924164537.GJ3543730@pb2> <20230927100043.GP3543730@pb2> <20231004142312.GH3543730@pb2> <169643198468.6638.5204383090814399594@lain.khirnov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin) X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2375945492121947125==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============2375945492121947125== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+cdUESGy8E0PQTBL" Content-Disposition: inline --+cdUESGy8E0PQTBL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Vittorio On Thu, Oct 05, 2023 at 01:32:11PM -0400, Vittorio Giovara wrote: > On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 8:55=E2=80=AFAM Nicolas George w= rote: >=20 > > Anton Khirnov (12023-10-04): > > > It is IMO perfectly reasonable to wonder why does someone who does not > > > agree with the basic rules participate in the project. > > > > Or you could have given the issue just two more seconds of thought and > > realized that FFmpeg is a software project rather than a Nomic game, and > > therefore where the code goes matters more than how it is decided. >=20 >=20 > Code never matters more than people. It's people who make the community a= nd > it's the community who writes the code or who decides what belongs to the > project -- never a single individual. >=20 > There is a lot of content on the web that exemplifies that in professional > environments: > - > https://hackernoon.com/thoughts-on-software-development-heroes-5ec656c2e3= 1a > How To Prevent Coding "Heroes" From Destroying The Team > - > https://leaddev.com/culture-engagement-motivation/eliminating-hero-cultur= e-software-engineering-teams > Eliminating hero culture in software engineering teams > - > https://medium.com/@LuiscaGuerrero/the-myth-of-the-hero-developer-70870e7= 6c00b > The myth of the Hero developer >=20 > I am as puzzled as you are why we let this kind of abuse happen in this > community, so claiming a CoC violation for a legitimate question seems a > bit ridiculous in my opinion. If people in a team start asking each other "why are you part of the team" no matter in what form or in what context or under what argumentation. Thats not a good thing. A well working team doesnt do that except maybe as a joke If that is technically a CoC violation is really not the point. I could elaboarte more here, I mean lets assume someone has an actual reason or contradiction to his membership in the project. Maybe ones employer doesnt allow it, or some other arbitraray reason The question "why are you here if X" surely is legitimate from a logic point of view but it none the less is a question that has no place to be asked. logic legitimacy !=3D moral legitimacy as in "Ohh i know skynet doesnt allow you to work on FFmpeg, why are you he= re?" Thats not a question thats in the interrest of the FFmpeg team. or another example, "Ohh you just said you hate multimedia, why do you cont= inue to work on FFmpeg?" So I stand by my oppinion that such questions are inappropriate. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Why not whip the teacher when the pupil misbehaves? -- Diogenes of Sinope --+cdUESGy8E0PQTBL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZR8BaAAKCRBhHseHBAsP q3ziAJ9R1EFbSFZVJBsYEApCFI51NToh2ACeLuoUw8USA8ooEuq6DwlyzHsk2u4= =BlrE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+cdUESGy8E0PQTBL-- --===============2375945492121947125== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============2375945492121947125==--