From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BCB475C9 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 16:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6C868C9F1; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:38:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.198]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E352A68C240 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:38:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 04773C000B for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 16:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 18:38:34 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20230913163834.GO8640@pb2> References: <20230912221356.GM8640@pb2> <9881141C-00C4-4E03-927B-399426FE848B@gmail.com> <20230912233323.GN8640@pb2> <400dd26f-ee8f-4bea-92ac-5efcaeb77a37@betaapp.fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <400dd26f-ee8f-4bea-92ac-5efcaeb77a37@betaapp.fastmail.com> X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] trac backups X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6084642853071097093==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============6084642853071097093== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0WzQiIesntPPsVaS" Content-Disposition: inline --0WzQiIesntPPsVaS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 11:05:23AM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > On Wed, 13 Sep 2023, at 01:33, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > >> Who else other than you has access to the infrastructure? > > > > all the root admins do > > but that isnt the problem, even if 100 more people had access > > the only way that was noticable it seems was if someone looked >=20 > I disagree. The infrastructure is un-documented, and the people accessing= it are un-documented. Your reply isnt really related to the statment it follows Also it maybe sounds a little accusational. I just spoted the issue and fixed it and documented the issue here in public. So i get a "thanks for fixing the backups and thanks for the transparency" no, this is open source, so i get a mildly accusational reply Not even a "Where is the list of root admins" but a "the people accessing it are un-documented" are they ? the MAINTAINERS file lists teh admins, yes ubitux removed himself =66rom it in MAINTAINERS and still has access which i think is good in case of an emergency and also thresh has access and is not listed in MAINTAINERS (he is more a last resort emergency and less a day to day admin). send a patch for MAINTAINERS if you feel the list is not good and what do you mean by infrastructure ? its a trac issue tracker in a VM, trac backup scripts written by beastd and= a 2nd backup system setup by raz for all the ffmpeg infrastructure. what is missing and what do you want ? config files ? cronjobs ? making all that public is possible, if its a good idea for security and all i dont know. May i make a blunt suggestion, anyone who doesnt take the information in this mail and start writing/documenting the infrastructure should not complain its undocumented again in the future. > > This is a big problem. this really sounds more like a populistic statement than anything with the intend to improve a real problem. i mean you know, this is not a list of questions with the intend behind to document anything, its more finger-pointing. And somehow it feels like that pointing is going my way even though i havent writen or setup either backup system but it also would be deeply unfair to point to beastd or other admins here. Everyone did their best with the time they had available. So again if people want better documentation. First step i would suggest someone should volunteer to write that documentation. And then that person should start asking specific questions. Documentation does not write itself yet. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell --0WzQiIesntPPsVaS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCZQHlhgAKCRBhHseHBAsP qwdPAJ96wi1UKO0PteY4x6ajbqHsn8xz4QCfQrrPmVkpngkvUuztFGiXZKl13cE= =yS4T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0WzQiIesntPPsVaS-- --===============6084642853071097093== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============6084642853071097093==--