On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 10:27:13PM +0200, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > > > Le 23 juin 2023 20:12:41 GMT+02:00, Michael Niedermayer a écrit : > >Hi > > > >On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 06:37:18PM +0200, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Le 23 juin 2023 13:17:28 GMT+02:00, Michael Niedermayer a écrit : > >> >On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 10:34:10AM +0800, Kieran Kunhya wrote: > >> >> FFmpeg is not the place for SDR. SDR is as large and complex as the > >> >> entirety of multimedia. > >> >> > >> >> What next, is FFmpeg going to implement TCP in userspace, Wifi, Ethernet, > >> >> an entire 4G and 5G stack? > >> > > >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man > >> > > >> >What my patch is doing is adding support for AM demodulation, the AM > >> >specific code is like 2 pages. The future plan for FM demodulation will > >> >not add alot of code either. DAB/DVB should also not be anything big > >> >(if that is implemented at all by anyone) > >> > >> Literally every one of those layer-2 protocols has a lower-level API already on Linux, and typically they are, or would be, backends to libavdevice. > >> > >> (Specifically AM and FM are supported by V4L radio+ALSA; DAB and DVB by Linux-DVB. 4G and 5G are network devices.) > > > >4 problems > >* FFmpeg is not "linux only". > > And then what? Whether you like it or not, radio signal processing sits on top of OS-specific APIs to access whatever bus or hardware. You can't make this OS-independent whether it's in FFmpeg or elsewhere. > > At best you can write or reuse platform abstraction layers (such as libusb). Maybe. > > In other words, whether this ends up in FFmpeg or not has absolutely no bearing on this "problem" as you call it. > > But it doesn't end here. Audio input on Linux is normally exposed with ALSA modules (hw/plughw if the driver is in kernel, but it doesn't have to be), and other OSes have equivalent APIs. A sound (pun unintended) implementation of AM or FM would actually be an ALSA module, and *maybe* also PA and PW modules. (They don't have to be kernel mode drivers.) > > ...Not an FFmpeg device or demux. This is interresting. I never tried but there should be a way to pipe ffmpeg output back into alsa to make it available as an alsa module This could actually be usefull as is with no sdr. but that tought i have here is 100% off topic > > >* No software i tried or was suggested to me used V4L or Linux-DVB. > > That would be because audio input is done with ALSA (in combination with V4L for *hardware* radio tuning). > > The point was that this is lower layer stuff that belongs in a lower level library or module, rather than FFmpeg. I never *literally* said that you should (or even could) use V4L or Linux-DVB here. Those APIs are rather for the *hardware* equivalent of what you're doing in *software*. > > So again, no "problem" here. ok, i misunderstood you somewhat here thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Old school: Use the lowest level language in which you can solve the problem conveniently. New school: Use the highest level language in which the latest supercomputer can solve the problem without the user falling asleep waiting.