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From: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 16/21] fftools/ffmpeg: rework audio-decode timestamp handling
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 21:24:44 +0200
Message-ID: <20230428192444.GF275832@pb2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <168268747635.3843.467810343388947412@lain.khirnov.net>


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On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 03:11:16PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-04-28 13:42:17)
> > On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 04:25:56PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> > > Stop using InputStream.dts for generating missing timestamps for decoded
> > > frames, because it contains pre-decoding timestamps and there may be
> > > arbitrary amount of delay between input packets and output frames (e.g.
> > > dependent on the thread count when frame threading is used). It is also
> > > in AV_TIME_BASE (i.e. microseconds), which may introduce unnecessary
> > > rounding issues.
> > > 
> > 
> > > New code maintains a timebase that is the inverse of the LCM of all the
> > > samplerates seen so far, and thus can accurately represent every audio
> > 
> > if the LCM fits in int32
> > 
> > This can hit some pathologic cases though
> > consider a 192khz stream that starts with a damaged packet thats read as 11.197 khz
> > lcm of 192000 and 11197 > 2^31 so the whole stream will then be stuck with 11.197khz
> > that seems like a bad choice
> > the code should favor standard sample rates as well as the higher sample rate if
> > the lcm is not representable
> > 
> > also if lets say there are 48khz and 48.001khz where again lcm doesnt work 
> > then a multiple of 48khz may be a better choice than either itself
> 
> Thank you, there are good points. I'm wondering if just picking the LCM
> of all common samplerates (28224000 = lcm(192000, 44100)) wouldn't be
> sufficient for all these pathological cases. Or do you have a better
> general algorithm in mind? Maybe fall back on AV_TIME_BASE instead?

28224000 is an option, so is AV_TIME_BASE. Neither contain 90khz though 
which is the mpeg-ps/ts "timebase". But i have the feeling if we keep adding
things then we will hit 32bit soon. 
28224000 is better for exactly representing timestamps, AV_TIME_BASE may be
easier for debuging.

thx

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-28 19:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-27 14:25 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 01/21] fftools/ffmpeg: deprecate -adrift_threshold Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 02/21] fftools/ffmpeg: reduce access to OutputStream.enc_ctx Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 03/21] fftools/ffmpeg: drop OutputStream.pict_type Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 04/21] fftools/ffmpeg: drop OutputStream.error Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 05/21] fftools/ffmpeg: move OutputStream.packets_encoded to Encoder Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 06/21] fftools/ffmpeg: drop undocumented runtime debug-setting Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 07/21] fftools/ffmpeg_filter: make ifilter_parameters_from_frame() static Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 08/21] fftools/ffmpeg_filter: add filtergraph private data Anton Khirnov
2023-04-28  8:45   ` Nicolas George
2023-04-28 12:01     ` James Almer
2023-04-28 13:52       ` Nicolas George
2023-04-29  8:46         ` Nicolas George
2023-04-29  9:07           ` Anton Khirnov
2023-04-29  9:13             ` Nicolas George
2023-04-29 12:08               ` James Almer
2023-04-29 16:55                 ` Nicolas George
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 09/21] fftools/ffmpeg_filter: make graph_desc private Anton Khirnov
2023-04-28  8:46   ` Nicolas George
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 10/21] fftools/ffmpeg_filter: factorize allocating InputFilter Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 11/21] fftools/ffmpeg_filter: add InputFilter private data Anton Khirnov
2023-04-28  8:47   ` Nicolas George
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 12/21] fftools/ffmpeg_filter: keep track of filtergraph input timebase Anton Khirnov
2023-04-28  8:48   ` Nicolas George
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 13/21] fftools/ffmpeg_filter: use correct timebase for filter EOF timestamp Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 14/21] fftools/ffmpeg: stop using packet pts for decoded audio frame pts Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 15/21] fftools/ffmpeg: set AVFrame.time_base for decoded frames Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 16/21] fftools/ffmpeg: rework audio-decode timestamp handling Anton Khirnov
2023-04-28 11:42   ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-04-28 13:11     ` Anton Khirnov
2023-04-28 19:24       ` Michael Niedermayer [this message]
2023-04-29  7:32         ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] " Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 17/21] fftools/ffmpeg: stop using InputStream.pts for generating video timestamps Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 18/21] fftools/ffmpeg_filter: stop using InputStream.pts for filter EOF ts Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 19/21] fftools/ffmpeg: drop InputStream.[next_]pts Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:26 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 20/21] fftools/ffmpeg: constify packets passed to decode*() Anton Khirnov
2023-04-27 14:26 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 21/21] fftools/ffmpeg: always use the same path for setting InputStream.[next_]dts Anton Khirnov
2023-05-01 13:45 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 01/21] fftools/ffmpeg: deprecate -adrift_threshold Anton Khirnov
2023-05-01 13:46   ` Paul B Mahol

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