From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1EB644CCA for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 22:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE1E68BBB6; Tue, 15 Nov 2022 00:05:54 +0200 (EET) Received: from relay11.mail.gandi.net (relay11.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.231]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 931E668B265 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2022 00:05:48 +0200 (EET) Received: (Authenticated sender: michael@niedermayer.cc) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E167F100002 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 22:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 23:05:46 +0100 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20221114220546.GA1783292@pb2> References: <20221114091309.15755-1-anton@khirnov.net> <20221114091309.15755-2-anton@khirnov.net> <166842406666.1198.894449822855148822@lain.khirnov.net> <166843649962.26119.12307610011247756962@lain.khirnov.net> <166844242020.20155.16539393327108846682@lain.khirnov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <166844242020.20155.16539393327108846682@lain.khirnov.net> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/4] doc/developer.texi: extend the argument for submitting patches X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6722731541713162133==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============6722731541713162133== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 05:13:40PM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Soft Works (2022-11-14 16:13:29) > > > I did read your document, and my takeaway message from it is "doing > > > it > > > properly is too hard". As long as that continues to be your position, > > > you might as well not bother. > >=20 > > This is ridiculous, and you know that. Or at least you would know > > if you would have really tried to understand the problem. > >=20 > > And that unfortunately applies to some others as well. Nobody is=20 > > willing to go deep enough to the point where it becomes clear > > that a "perfect" solution would only be possible by making fundamental > > changes to libavfilter, which are complex, risky and something > > that would never be accepted from me, even when it would be=20 > > the most excellent solution. >=20 > Stop with the drama, please. You are not a persecuted misunderstood > genius. Nobody here has a personal grudge against you. The reason > people, including me, are objecting to your patches is that they are not > fundamental enough. You want to redo the subtitle API in a major way, > but keep it saddled with legacy hacks right from the start. We have > enough of those already to know we don't want any more. Maybe people should take a step back and together discuss with softworks what changes need to be done. This thread is a bit odd becasue from reading just it its very clear there are objections but what exactly needs to be done to move this forward is not so clear (to me at least). I think a patch review should result in a clear list of things that need to be done. Then these things can be gone through one by one. What can be done what not where there is consensus, where not and why ... If a request to a fundamental redesign is there then thats what it is and maybe noone will do it but IMHO it should be clear so everyone understa= nds what is requested As it is, this thread simply makes me sad because its deadlocked, there is some will and effort on one side and that isnt directed into anything that goes into the ffmpeg codebase ... thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB If you fake or manipulate statistics in a paper in physics you will never get a job again. If you fake or manipulate statistics in a paper in medicin you will get a job for life at the pharma industry. --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEIAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCY3K7tAAKCRBhHseHBAsP q6JPAJ9qDakE4NyZrEFijVG41rxBlqUbJgCfZ6cJYbNDidI197DyDhzG3XGxDDA= =F2UD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- --===============6722731541713162133== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============6722731541713162133==--