Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg 5.0

[Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>]

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Hi

On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 02:26:25PM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> 
> On Sunday 2022-10-30 21:16, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> >> 
> >> Fedora 36 still uses FFmpeg 5.0 as I discovered there was an ABI break
> >> that made upgrading to FFmpeg 5.1 not possible for F36. FFmpeg 5.1 is
> >> used for Fedora 37, though.
> >
> >why is 
> >https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Downstreams
> >not listing any of that ?
> 
> It does not scale.
> There are over 260 distros. Many of them have over 10000 packages. And 
> many have a rapid update cadence.

The question is how many packages X Distros have security/update support 
Because if there is no security support you need nothing to add to the wiki
and if there is, well that security/update support will take a human more time
than to say that (s)he is doing that support for that package
which is what the wiki lists


> 
> You cannot expect distros to spend time updating other people's
> wikis all the time. There is also no standardization and no automation.

I dont expect that, if you dont expect us to make updated releases.
This is a service we provide for you. If its too much for you to tell
us you need/want/would benefit from a new release on a branch. Then
you know, thats ok with me.


> 
> If you want to know what versions are being shipped, confer with 
> information aggregatation projects such as repology, e.g.
> https://repology.org/project/ffmpeg/versions

Thats not the question i have.
Some distro might ship 5.0.1 or 2.8.5 but that doesnt mean they would
benefit from a 2.8.7 or 5.0.2. You can surely see that just by the fact
that there are distros which never shipped updated versions of FFmpeg.

For me the question is, should i make a new X.Y.Z+1. Or the other
way around, is there a distro which actively maintains their FFmpeg X.Y 
package and wants/needs/would make a new package of that.
the Downstreams list worked quite well for that for many years. Also E-mail
and IRC have been quite effective. If it misses
50 or even 90% of distros that doesnt even matter as long as it lists a
distro that maintains support for the same version.

If i imagine that we would be concentrating on doing releases for every
branch listed somewhere on repology for FFmpeg i do not think that would
be an improvment. It would result in a lot of releases noone used and more
delay in releases people would use.

If you wish to automate part of this or improve the process sure, go ahead.
But first step is to understand what this is trying to do, reading your
mail makes me belive that you misunderstood this somewhat

Thanks

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