[FFmpeg-devel] [POLL][VOTE] Revoke social media delegation

[FFmpeg-devel] [POLL][VOTE] Revoke social media delegation

[Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel]

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Hi Everyone

As requested, reposting this, as a new thread

For context please see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkcAvqV24c
https://lists.ffmpeg.org/archives/list/ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org/thread/PZL3NMBYJJ7RHEJ2NEGE26R2HHXKRQ2S/
Subject: Twitter/X spat on Youtube

Should the delegation, from where this came from, be revoked to FFmpeg social media?
(vote ends in 7 days)

Please reply on ffmpeg-devel with your choice:

[R] revoke access

[K] keep access

thx

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Revoke social media delegation

[Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel]

Le sunnuntai 26. lokakuuta 2025, 17.26.24 Itä-Euroopan normaaliaika Michael 
Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel a écrit :
> Hi Everyone
> 
> As requested, reposting this, as a new thread
> 
> For context please see:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkcAvqV24c
> https://lists.ffmpeg.org/archives/list/ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org/thread/PZL3NM
> BYJJ7RHEJ2NEGE26R2HHXKRQ2S/ Subject: Twitter/X spat on Youtube

You are totally out of line. You are endorsing the bullying from the YouTuber. 
That makes you a bully as it does anyone who votes R.

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Revoke social media delegation

[Lynne via ffmpeg-devel]

On 26/10/2025 16:26, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> Hi Everyone
> 
> As requested, reposting this, as a new thread
> 
> For context please see:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkcAvqV24c
> https://lists.ffmpeg.org/archives/list/ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org/thread/PZL3NMBYJJ7RHEJ2NEGE26R2HHXKRQ2S/
> Subject: Twitter/X spat on Youtube
> 
> Should the delegation, from where this came from, be revoked to FFmpeg social media?
> (vote ends in 7 days)
> 
> Please reply on ffmpeg-devel with your choice:
> 
> [R] revoke access
> 
> [K] keep access

K

I think Kieran has been doing a good job with our X account.
His approach to spreading awareness about what we do may be 
unconventional and confrontational, but its this is how engagement works 
on social networks. And I like engagement - it gives our project a name, 
rather than simply being brick #23 in xkcd #2347.

I looked at the video, and I failed to understand the author's points - 
he said how integration is difficult, and our reply of asking for 
patches was rude. Then he went off on a tangent that VLC releases are 
too far apart, then went on about how we have responsibilities to listen 
to and fix issues that large users of ffmpeg have, and our repeated 
response of asking for patches was rude, even though he has donated and 
built a company's infra using our code?
We're volunteers, and we're absolved of responsibility of our code. As a 
project, we don't have to treat someone as special because they used our 
work or donated. Asking for patches is pretty standard - we even have an 
error code. By looking into issues and writing, you either fix the 
issue, or very quickly gain an appreciation for why the issue has not 
been fixed yet, in a way that goes beyond argument.

Integration can be difficult to someone lacking knowledge of our APIs. 
We have a very low-level API. It's not something that can be improved 
specifically -- it gives API users freedom. From our community, there 
are projects that wrap the API to give users far easier time with 
decoding, seeking, filtering, and, encoding.
There were plans to integrate a high-level API at some point, but 
there's enough of an ecosystem built around our existing API to give 
users a far wider choice in terms of abstractions and languages than an 
official high-level API.
I do agree our project can be a pain to build and integrate - switching 
to meson would solve this as far as my use cases go, as well as many 
other projects using our libraries.

Donations are appreciated as they help keep our infra going, as well as 
very rare trips and hardware when we agree on them, but we as developers 
don't have free access to them, so its difficult for us to gauge their 
impact beyond a number.
An effective way of asking us to fix something is to approach us 
directly. Incidentally, if someone at Twitch or X is reading this, give 
me a call if you'd like to see our AAC encoder improved.
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Revoke social media delegation

[Tomas Härdin via ffmpeg-devel]

sön 2025-10-26 klockan 16:26 +0100 skrev Michael Niedermayer via
ffmpeg-devel:
> Hi Everyone
> 
> As requested, reposting this, as a new thread
> 
> For context please see:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkcAvqV24c
> https://lists.ffmpeg.org/archives/list/ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org/thread/PZL3NMBYJJ7RHEJ2NEGE26R2HHXKRQ2S/
> Subject: Twitter/X spat on Youtube
> 
> Should the delegation, from where this came from, be revoked to
> FFmpeg social media?
> (vote ends in 7 days)
> 
> Please reply on ffmpeg-devel with your choice:
> 
> [R] revoke access
> 
> [K] keep access

This sounds like a very clear case of someone who should not have
access to the account, so I say [R]evoke.

Giving the impression that the only way to contribute to the project is
by writing code is hurtful to the project. I've made this point before
and I stand by it.

/Tomas
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Revoke social media delegation

[Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel]

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Hi Remi

On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 05:51:58PM +0200, Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> Le sunnuntai 26. lokakuuta 2025, 17.26.24 Itä-Euroopan normaaliaika Michael 
> Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel a écrit :
> > Hi Everyone
> > 
> > As requested, reposting this, as a new thread
> > 
> > For context please see:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkcAvqV24c
> > https://lists.ffmpeg.org/archives/list/ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org/thread/PZL3NM
> > BYJJ7RHEJ2NEGE26R2HHXKRQ2S/ Subject: Twitter/X spat on Youtube
> 
> You are totally out of line. You are endorsing the bullying from the YouTuber. 
> That makes you a bully as it does anyone who votes R.

The youtuber points to a problem with the use of our official FFmpeg twitter account.
Its not a video bullying someone.

thx

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Revoke social media delegation

[Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2025, 17:33 Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel, <
ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:

> Hi Remi
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 05:51:58PM +0200, Rémi Denis-Courmont via
> ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > Le sunnuntai 26. lokakuuta 2025, 17.26.24 Itä-Euroopan normaaliaika
> Michael
> > Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel a écrit :
> > > Hi Everyone
> > >
> > > As requested, reposting this, as a new thread
> > >
> > > For context please see:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkcAvqV24c
> > >
> https://lists.ffmpeg.org/archives/list/ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org/thread/PZL3NM
> > > BYJJ7RHEJ2NEGE26R2HHXKRQ2S/ Subject: Twitter/X spat on Youtube
> >
> > You are totally out of line. You are endorsing the bullying from the
> YouTuber.
> > That makes you a bully as it does anyone who votes R.
>
> The youtuber points to a problem with the use of our official FFmpeg
> twitter account.
> Its not a video bullying someone.
>

Calling the person behind the twitter account a "motherfucker" repeatedly
is not bulling?

Kieran

>
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Revoke social media delegation

[Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel]

Le sunnuntai 26. lokakuuta 2025, 19.13.45 Itä-Euroopan normaaliaika Michael 
Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel a écrit :
> > You are totally out of line. You are endorsing the bullying from the
> > YouTuber. That makes you a bully as it does anyone who votes R.
> 
> The youtuber points to a problem with the use of our official FFmpeg twitter
> account. Its not a video bullying someone.

I suppose you did not watch the entirety of the video.

Putting a bounty on someone else's is bullying, calling them "motherf****er" 
is bullying (it is also public insult, which is a punishable fellony by my 
local laws).

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Revoke social media delegation

[Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel]

Tomas' CoC violation has been recorded.

You had been warned.

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Revoke social media delegation

[Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel]

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Hi

On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 07:51:50PM +0200, Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> Tomas' CoC violation has been recorded.
> 
> You had been warned.

I did not plan to vote, but given this abuse of power by the CC, i must vote out of solidarity alone.

[R]evoke

thx

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Revoke social media delegation

[James Almer via ffmpeg-devel]

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On 10/26/2025 2:51 PM, Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> Tomas' CoC violation has been recorded.
> 
> You had been warned.

I'm sorry, what? This makes no sense, so please elaborate.


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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Revoke social media delegation

[James Almer via ffmpeg-devel]

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On 10/26/2025 12:26 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> Hi Everyone
> 
> As requested, reposting this, as a new thread
> 
> For context please see:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkcAvqV24c
> https://lists.ffmpeg.org/archives/list/ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org/thread/PZL3NMBYJJ7RHEJ2NEGE26R2HHXKRQ2S/
> Subject: Twitter/X spat on Youtube
> 
> Should the delegation, from where this came from, be revoked to FFmpeg social media?
> (vote ends in 7 days)
> 
> Please reply on ffmpeg-devel with your choice:
> 
> [R] revoke access
> 
> [K] keep access
> 
> thx

I'm sorry, but we have a real method agreed upon for voting with 
Condorcet, and a call for a vote like this on a Sunday afternoon with 
virtually no discussion whatsoever is not acceptable.


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