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From: "Rémi Denis-Courmont" <remi@remlab.net>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Sovereign Tech Fund
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2024 20:14:48 +0200
Message-ID: <19178978.KkBGuJEbpT@basile.remlab.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <170681035491.8914.10563983075217105239@lain.khirnov.net>

Le torstaina 1. helmikuuta 2024, 19.59.14 EET Anton Khirnov a écrit :
> > Why should i suddenly do something different ?
> > I did it for 100% free back then
> > and here it wouldnt even make sense, closing false positives also
> > counts as resolved. Its less work even to get 70USD ;)
> 
> What's with this hurt-feelings tone? You ASKED people to comment on the
> proposals, so I asked a question. You can just answer it, no need to get
> all emotional about it. I don't stalk you or your commits, why do you
> expect me to know that you worked on such issues "long ago"? I don't
> even know one can close coverity issues manually.
> 
> What I do know is that I've seen similar initiatives run into this
> pathology in the past, hence my question.

Yeah, well there are two sides to this issue.

The obvious one is that it reviewing code takes time and is not exactly the 
most rewarding job. This is especially true for reviewing dull issues like 
Coverity's, but it is generally true.

The lesser obvious flip-side is that somebody should also review the handling 
of Coverity issues, even those that end up marked as "False positive" or 
"Intentional".

This gets even worse if everybody knows that someone else is paid. Then the 
incentive to review on one's free time gets even lower in my experience. I 
don't know how to address that paradox generally speaking, but I do think that 
bug triaging, bug fixing and code review should be paid per hour, not per bug 
report (and I count Coverity issues as a type of bug reports).

This is not just theoretical. I have actually previously worked in an 
organisation that paid contractors per bug as a unit, and of course people 
gamed the system to get paid more with little extra work.

-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-01 18:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-28  3:25 Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-28 15:54 ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 17:12   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-28 18:59     ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 19:20       ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-28 19:30         ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-28 19:34         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 21:18           ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-28 21:33             ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 21:27           ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-28 20:06       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-28 20:32         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 20:34         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 20:37         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 20:42           ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 21:47             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 18:31               ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 18:46                 ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 18:54                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 19:02                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 20:04                     ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 22:54                       ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30  9:20                       ` Tomas Härdin
2024-01-28 21:34           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-28 21:39             ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29  2:26               ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 14:52                 ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 15:02                 ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 15:05                   ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 16:40                   ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 17:05                     ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 17:27                   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 17:36                     ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 17:43                     ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-29 18:11                       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 21:01                         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-29 22:43                           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-30  6:30                             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-30 17:15                               ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-30 18:00                               ` Michael Niedermayer
     [not found]   ` <A40E9FF7-EC74-458A-A195-26EE8062992E@cosmin.at>
2024-01-29 22:23     ` Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 22:31       ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30 10:12         ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:19           ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30 10:31             ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:44               ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30 10:46                 ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:53                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30 11:47           ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-28 19:17 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-28 20:33   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 14:38 ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 18:25   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 18:37     ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 19:21       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 20:09         ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-29 20:15           ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-30  6:48             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-29 20:19           ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-29 20:20             ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 20:36             ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-29 21:27               ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 11:19                 ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-29 20:41           ` Diederick C. Niehorster
2024-01-29 21:19             ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-29 21:11 ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-29 23:41   ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 23:53   ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-01-31 12:30     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-31 21:26       ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-01-30  0:15   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-30  0:19     ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 12:59     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-31 14:10       ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 15:17         ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-31 15:17         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 16:00           ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 16:03             ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 16:10         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-31 17:04           ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 18:03             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 18:22               ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 18:40                 ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 18:48                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 19:07                 ` Michael Niedermayer
     [not found]                   ` <A7F30D96-F8DB-45EA-9CDB-3545E3ECE0C9@cosmin.at>
2024-01-31 19:16                     ` Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 20:19                       ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 21:43                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 21:54                           ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 22:40                             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 22:45                               ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-02-02 13:52                                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-02 13:58                                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 19:20                   ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 17:58           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 23:15           ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-02-01  0:16             ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-02-06  0:00               ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-30  1:48 ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-30  9:32   ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-30 10:07     ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:13       ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-30 10:15         ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:56           ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-31  1:07     ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 21:44   ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-31 21:55     ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 23:07       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-01 17:59         ` Anton Khirnov
2024-02-01 18:14           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont [this message]
2024-02-01 22:55           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-05 10:21       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-05 11:53         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-02-05 13:10         ` Zhao Zhili
2024-02-01 19:22     ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-02-04  9:49       ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-02-04 10:02         ` J. Dekker
2024-02-04 10:09           ` Paul B Mahol
2024-02-04 13:41           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-04 14:38             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-02-04 19:28               ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-04 21:21                 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-04-12 23:43 ` Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel

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