From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15254911B for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 10:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EC868CBAD; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 12:23:11 +0200 (EET) Received: from mail0.khirnov.net (red.khirnov.net [176.97.15.12]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 797DE68C446 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 12:23:05 +0200 (EET) Authentication-Results: mail0.khirnov.net; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=khirnov.net header.i=@khirnov.net header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=mail header.b=BKTI/HHX; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mail0.khirnov.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F86A24048D for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 11:23:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail0.khirnov.net ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mail0.khirnov.net [IPv6:::1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id HXAbbP33aNmc for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 11:23:04 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=khirnov.net; s=mail; t=1709634184; bh=+d5NeXwNgawF3fYtHp+Czvq7uh/ruoMHfaaNLDL2U2s=; h=Subject:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=BKTI/HHX5bk5Of+1O7FL9/DlVA2TBeSPsf7JIvzRu6LMr5RMQNwxpl2uAHONTmPnt QjgpSfg5rL0RbBIKv11K1htj/SMM0O+r59zPHEqu/wH1sWgThavJ3bZwtoxqBKt5Oz VmjfoVabSr0KFJ6CcUKR/eFd1GEDccZQWZM5XRNTHndtLLNOosH55zwJ5VYuNffrG9 mI1A0lvbXmTpnmag2QD4lMquobHRJtrJHddsOv6Sao/DLOP9qP1+ldJMeEnhGnv5Mh jnnV8L3ebFdXPnhmE0BXrSn/moincVnrQsO8pWJn/lEwbhavrW+LnVSLOf+3sU+O+j RsDpVuDD5EoTQ== Received: from lain.khirnov.net (lain.khirnov.net [IPv6:2001:67c:1138:4306::3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "lain.khirnov.net", Issuer "smtp.khirnov.net SMTP CA" (verified OK)) by mail0.khirnov.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DC23240177 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 11:23:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by lain.khirnov.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8A95C1601B9; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 11:23:04 +0100 (CET) From: Anton Khirnov To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches In-Reply-To: <20240305023614.GZ6420@pb2> References: <170841737762.27417.14992162535824834057@lain.khirnov.net> <170931439255.29002.12138406678517187858@lain.khirnov.net> <20240303024933.GO6420@pb2> <170950306333.29002.5687162281042860048@lain.khirnov.net> <20240303233621.GT6420@pb2> <170958693190.29002.1614203431750195531@lain.khirnov.net> <20240305023614.GZ6420@pb2> Mail-Followup-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2024 11:23:04 +0100 Message-ID: <170963418453.29002.13376595934910829671@lain.khirnov.net> User-Agent: alot/0.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] clarifying the TC conflict of interest rule X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-03-05 03:36:14) > On Mon, Mar 04, 2024 at 10:15:31PM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-03-04 00:36:21) > > > [words words] > > > > Again - why do you personally need so many choices? Just one should be > > enough. If someone else wants some other choice on the ballot, they > > should ask for it. > > Many people do not speak up, And they need you to read their minds and speak for them? I see no evidence for this. > Also there has not been a real discussion from which i can see what the > community prefers. That's what the vote is supposed to do. The discussion shows there are fundamental disagreements that cannot be resolved otherwise. > I asked you to comment on the patches i posted but you dont want to. I did comment. My comment is that your approach amounts to derailing and hijacking this discussion, and I wish you did not do that because it is rude and adds unnecessary chaos and confusion. > the closest to a discussion where remis replies to my patches > and of course the other proposals for vote options. That IS the discussion. If its content is not to your liking then it's a problem with you, not the discussion. > if 10 people would reply and state their preferrance and i mean > 10 random people not everyone from "one side" of the main disagreement Who is "one side"? This thread has 10+ authors who expressed their opinions and concerns, and some proposed their preferred alternatives for the vote. Note how nobody except you has a problem with going forward with the vote. > then i would have a better feeling what people prefer That's what the vote is supposed to accomplish. > and assuming that points to one or 2 clear directions then i could > suggest options that are targetet to these oppinions. So you're implying there are these poor oppressed masses who are unable to speak their opinion and need you to read their minds and be their champion? You are insulting our community you know, they are not helpless toddlers. > But people like boykoting my suggestion for trying to move this > forward first by discussion and consensus. That may fail but its > failure will give us knowledge what needs to be in the vote > > So yes, these options are for the people not for me. I've read about many instances of someone claiming to speak for "the people", "the oppressed", "the proletariat", etc. Somehow they never actually do. > Also, extra options do no harm in a condorcet vote, it gives noone > an advanatge. It might just result in a outcome that represents the > will of more people Extra options mean extra burden on the voters. Our turnouts are already not great, adding filler options that nobody actually wants can reduce it further. -- Anton Khirnov _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".