From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A074F49856 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 11:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7021D68CFDD; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 13:09:41 +0200 (EET) Received: from mail0.khirnov.net (red.khirnov.net [176.97.15.12]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5251868CBBD for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 13:09:34 +0200 (EET) Authentication-Results: mail0.khirnov.net; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=khirnov.net header.i=@khirnov.net header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=mail header.b=NzFVyCwb; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mail0.khirnov.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84A9240DA9 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:09:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail0.khirnov.net ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mail0.khirnov.net [IPv6:::1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id EIuoMae3EmyT for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:09:33 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=khirnov.net; s=mail; t=1708427373; bh=Veb6M9UkTFSylXRquR6SsrIE7jIzOy1djklMxY2V248=; h=Subject:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=NzFVyCwbkrMcUAl1PX3X1rmNeexmi0Wqb4SIW11yL76gyD5EyxgnU3KH1c8qtOWT2 neexYNrh34muaRSrbAIZYxEM3e5+6Qq0FoBhAGp/10LClcthZ8cZbUKp37+ld3B8fj pguqvPOCQL/FWUWQyXQgNL5pqG3uiIBkQZRdW9ValP4xuO/NVy1Op5QFZqtWmIhraR +Bcyd0q8E234AaulovqiecWIdZOGMLoe+d/Unvljb8hkXQF05M6SAjoDoli78YYFZg bVoHn5esQdth6ag79l3QDS+psmeYrpN1gdS4hf2RFGV2cREvxKJEblot2jXEAD5ghR 4Tt+CxdUj126w== Received: from lain.khirnov.net (lain.khirnov.net [IPv6:2001:67c:1138:4306::3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "lain.khirnov.net", Issuer "smtp.khirnov.net SMTP CA" (verified OK)) by mail0.khirnov.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A4AE240177 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:09:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by lain.khirnov.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 04BE81601B9; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:09:33 +0100 (CET) From: Anton Khirnov To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches In-Reply-To: <903b92fd-f1b5-42ee-81f4-04136b3b526f@gyani.pro> References: <170841737762.27417.14992162535824834057@lain.khirnov.net> <170841903359.27417.409422117260058401@lain.khirnov.net> <903b92fd-f1b5-42ee-81f4-04136b3b526f@gyani.pro> Mail-Followup-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:09:32 +0100 Message-ID: <170842737298.27417.5283452340136231344@lain.khirnov.net> User-Agent: alot/0.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] clarifying the TC conflict of interest rule X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: Quoting Gyan Doshi (2024-02-20 11:01:15) > > > On 2024-02-20 02:20 pm, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > So IMO the only case that needs to be excluded is 6) - an actual > > conflict of interest. I therefore propose the following wording changes: > > > > --- a/doc/community.texi > > +++ b/doc/community.texi > > -If the disagreement involves a member of the TC, that member should recuse themselves from the decision. > > > > + Each TC member must vote on such decision according to what is, in their > > + view, best for the project. If a TC member is affected by a conflict of > > + interest with regards to the case, they must announce it and recuse > > + themselves from the TC discussion and vote. A conflict of interest is > > + presumed to occur when a TC member has a personal interest (e.g. > > + financial) in a specific outcome of the case. > > 1) besides financial interest, what are some other types of 'personal > interest in a specific outcome of the case'? The intent is cover all cases where a TC member has substantial motivation that conflicts with choosing what is best for the project. Besides money, it could be non-monetary compensation (gifts, promotions, favors, etc.), or maybe your best friend won't speak to your for a week if you don't vote for their preferred outcome, and so on. I'm sure someone can think of other examples. If you think my wording can be improved, feel welcome to suggest changes to it, or propose an alternative one and the GA will decide. > 2) the proposed wording says, 'they must announce it and recuse > themselves'. That makes it seem that if a member does not self-attest > or admit to a conflict of interest, then they cannot be stopped from > voting. To frame it as a question, what are the independent ways ( > i.e. not including the said member) of making a conflict of interest > determination? My intent is that a TC member affected by a conflict of interest * must announce it * cannot vote These two points hold independently, so if a TC member fails to announce a conflict of interest that is then discovered later, then their vote is invalid. As for determining conflict of interest in case of dishonest TC members, I don't think there is a general solution for it. But as I said in my reply to Marton - we already have to assume honesty and good faith on part of committee members, since a dishonest person could game any proposed interpretation. -- Anton Khirnov _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".