Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

[Anton Khirnov <anton@khirnov.net>]

Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-10-03 21:22:58)
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 08:14:37PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> > You keep framing this as some kind of a personal campaign against you.
> > It is not. From my perspective, the objections to SDR have been largely
> > technical, and most of the "heat" comes from your refusal to accept that
> > many active developers are against it.
> 
> Technical arguments ?
> Yes, several people had technical arguments, I remember Tomas and Remi and some
> others. But at least subjectively i felt that the bulk of people where alot more
> emotional than technical
> 
> But let me list a few observations, from memory
> First objection was because processing is done in an external library.
> Then it was found out that was wrong and actually processing is done in the new code
> so the objection flipped and people demanded it to be moved into an external library.
> 
> If you object to pink and want blue and when you find out its actually blue you have
> to be happy and become a supporter but what happened was the opposit, the objection
> was simply adjusted to object to whatever was the case and demand whatever was not.
> 
> Ok so thats at least one developers "Technical objection" down here, maybe more
> i dont know if anyone else expressed that same initial objection. but lets move on
> 
> In all cases we prefer not to have external dependancies, this is the Technical position of FFmpeg
> no, there is no technical argument in this.
> Also personal preferrances of people is not a technical argument. Noone explained why a
> avdevice module with more external depandancies would be ok but a avdevice module with
> fewer external depandancies was not. <-- This last sentance is a technical argument
> I could go as far as call this a proof by contradiction.
> 
> If people are happy with a avdevice module and FFmpeg prefers fewer external dependancies
> then my suggestion of first starting with a plain simple self contained avdevice/avformat
> module, would have to be fine too.
> We can always move this to an external library once there is a technical reason for that
> like for example some other software wants to use it
> 
> About the attack/rallying/compaign stuff. Ill keep it very brief as its not useful i think.
> Also this is my own personal and subjective view. In fact the whole mail is
> There was alot of (negative) emotion from 1-2 people about SDR. This emotion was what spread
> slash rallied other developers. That came before any technical arguments.
> Now people have picked their flag and march to war.
> 
> Everyone will deny it, same as every patriot will fight to the death for the colors of
> the flag of the country and religion they where born into.
> 
> My claim, sorry to be stubborn, is that had this started a slight bit different there
> would be little opposition to SDR. Iam not denying that now there are several people
> against it.

These are largely unfalsifiable claims, so I don't see how they can
productively contribute to this discussion.

But dismissing people's concerns as "patriotic" or "religious" isn't
helping your case IMO.

-- 
Anton Khirnov
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