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From: Anton Khirnov <anton@khirnov.net>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 3/5] lavf: replace FFERROR_REDO with AVERROR(EAGAIN)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 10:31:15 +0100
Message-ID: <166798627583.1198.13595963875436534964@lain.khirnov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y2tjDh/MjJM9EFvv@phare.normalesup.org>

Quoting Nicolas George (2022-11-09 09:21:34)
> Anton Khirnov (12022-11-08):
> > Sure, and that's about it. And as I said before - there is no way to
> > tell when a device will be ready, so this is of very limited usefulness.
> 
> This is not true for many devices. Sorry to contradict you once again,
> but you would know it if you had any experience working with devices.

We could really do with fewer of these personal attacks.

> > That is not a meaningful difference. A meaningful difference would be
> > one that has actionable consequences.
> 
> Well, it has actionable consequences: if you treat EAGAIN like REDO you
> introduce a busy wait,

In most devices it's a sleep rather than a busy wait. And in those where
it isn't, it should be.

Furthermore, since the caller has no way of knowing how long to wait,
there is little they can do other than sleeping for a random period and
hoping for the best.

> and if you treat REDO like EAGAIN you introduce a
> significant slowness. Now that you make me mention it, I remember it was
> precisely the reason I introduced REDO: to fix a slowness in resyncs.

I highly doubt that returning control back to the caller will cause any
slowdown in and of itself, it's more about what the caller will do in
response. If they choose to sleep for a random amount of time, then
maybe they should stop doing that (which is exactly what this patchset
does).

-- 
Anton Khirnov
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-11-09  9:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-08 11:25 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/5] lavf/rtpdec_asf: set AVFMT_FLAG_NONBLOCK Anton Khirnov
2022-11-08 11:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/5] lavf/demux: treat EAGAIN as REDO unless AVFMT_FLAG_NONBLOCK is set Anton Khirnov
2022-11-10 12:28   ` Michael Niedermayer
2022-11-10 12:31     ` Anton Khirnov
2022-11-10 12:52       ` Paul B Mahol
2022-11-10 13:33         ` Anton Khirnov
2022-11-10 19:52       ` Michael Niedermayer
2022-11-14  9:23         ` Anton Khirnov
2022-11-14 10:44           ` Nicolas George
2022-11-14 11:00             ` Anton Khirnov
2022-11-14 11:05               ` Nicolas George
2022-11-14 11:12                 ` Anton Khirnov
2022-11-14 12:40                   ` Nicolas George
2022-11-14 16:17                     ` Anton Khirnov
2022-11-14 16:22                       ` Nicolas George
2022-11-08 11:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 3/5] lavf: replace FFERROR_REDO with AVERROR(EAGAIN) Anton Khirnov
2022-11-08 12:54   ` Nicolas George
2022-11-08 14:07     ` Anton Khirnov
2022-11-08 14:15       ` Nicolas George
2022-11-08 16:39         ` Anton Khirnov
2022-11-09  8:21           ` Nicolas George
2022-11-09  8:44             ` Paul B Mahol
2022-11-09  9:21               ` Nicolas George
2022-11-09  9:23                 ` Paul B Mahol
2022-11-09  9:29                   ` Nicolas George
2022-11-09  9:31             ` Anton Khirnov [this message]
2022-11-09  9:38               ` Nicolas George
2022-11-09 10:17                 ` Anton Khirnov
2022-11-09 10:41                   ` Nicolas George
2022-11-09 11:53                     ` Anton Khirnov
2022-11-09 12:42                       ` Nicolas George
2022-11-08 11:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 4/5] fftools/ffmpeg_demux: do not set AVFMT_FLAG_NONBLOCK Anton Khirnov
2022-11-08 11:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 5/5] fftools/ffmpeg: make demuxing with one file always blocking Anton Khirnov

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