[FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg "supporters" doxing

[FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg "supporters" doxing

[Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel]

Hello all,

It has come to the attention of the FFmpeg Community Council that the owner of the YouTube channel @t3dotgg is being "doxxed". In consideration of the timeline, this is suspected to be an act of retaliation for their recent video "FFmpeg needs to change" and/or other statements.

Many people in the community disagree with him, and some (including myself) have even been upset by the video. That is **NOT** a justification for doxxing.

Such activity is not acceptable or even tolerable in any circumstances. Period. The people involved are not welcome in FFmpeg, and I think that they are in fact  not welcome in the broader open-source community. Besides, this sort of action gives us a bad name and is doing us a disservice.

The CC reserves the option to take further action under the FFmpeg CoC.

Thanks for your attention,
Br,

N.B.: This message is my personal opinion, but I doubt that anyone else in the CC will disagree.
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: FFmpeg "supporters" doxing

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf via ffmpeg-devel]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2025, at 08:48, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote:
> Many people in the community disagree with him, and some (including 
> myself) have even been upset by the video. That is **NOT** a 
> justification for doxxing.

Any type of retaliation is useless, dangerous, and counter-productive.
We need calm and peace to work on codecs, not social media fights.

> N.B.: This message is my personal opinion, but I doubt that anyone else 
> in the CC will disagree.

Indeed, thanks Rémi.

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: FFmpeg "supporters" doxing

[Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel]

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Hi

On Tue, Oct 28, 2025 at 09:48:24AM +0200, Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> It has come to the attention of the FFmpeg Community Council that the owner of the YouTube channel @t3dotgg is being "doxxed". In consideration of the timeline, this is suspected to be an act of retaliation for their recent video "FFmpeg needs to change" and/or other statements.

I agree.
doxxing is not acceptable


> 
> Many people in the community disagree with him, and some (including myself) have even been upset by the video. That is **NOT** a justification for doxxing.
> 
> Such activity is not acceptable or even tolerable in any circumstances. Period. The people involved are not welcome in FFmpeg, and I think that they are in fact  not welcome in the broader open-source community. Besides, this sort of action gives us a bad name and is doing us a disservice.

Does this also apply to the case where kieran doxxed thilo ?

thx

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: FFmpeg "supporters" doxing

[Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel]

Le 29 octobre 2025 19:09:15 GMT+02:00, Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> a écrit :
>Does this also apply to the case where kieran doxxed thilo ?

When did that happen? Doxxing is the publication of personal info against that person's will - not quoting some already public info. I seem to recall Kieran *asking* what actual business stood at a postal address published by NAB (or was it IBC?) under the name of "FFmpeg".

Then someone else claimed it to be Thilo's home address. I could recall wrong and in any case, I don't recall for sure who did that. But indeed, unless it was Thilo himself, then we could consider that that third person was doxxing Thilo.

As for Kieran's quote, Thilo is welcome to thank Kieran for the notice and complain to the conference organisation for their lackluster privacy.

In any case, the current CC is not competent for issues long predating its election, IMO.

Br,
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: FFmpeg "supporters" doxing

[Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel]

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Hi Remi

On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 07:55:09PM +0200, Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> 
> 
> Le 29 octobre 2025 19:09:15 GMT+02:00, Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> a écrit :
> >Does this also apply to the case where kieran doxxed thilo ?
> 

> When did that happen?

Wed, 31 Jan 2024


> Doxxing is the publication of personal info against that person's will - not quoting some already public info. I seem to recall Kieran *asking* what actual business stood at a postal address published by NAB (or was it IBC?) under the name of "FFmpeg".

doxxing is about identifying a specific person and exposing or amplifying info in a way that foreseeably invites harassment or harm.
Even a public work address can fit this
Especially with hostile framing.


> 
> Then someone else claimed it to be Thilo's home address. I could recall wrong and in any case, I don't recall for sure who did that. But indeed, unless it was Thilo himself, then we could consider that that third person was doxxing Thilo.

Thilo announced the NAB 2024 booth:
    https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2023-November/316474.html
    Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2023 21:37:04 +0100
    Subject: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

Kieran participated in that thread on:
    Sun Nov 19 16:26:22 EET 2023
    https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2023-November/317199.html
    This and surrounding mails also question a range of things in a hostile tone

So Kieran knew that Thilo was associated with the booth. And there was a prior set
of critique pointing to thilo.
Subsequently posting the address and asking "Who does this address belong to?"
is IMO Doxxing

also, he asked "Who" not "which company"


> 
> As for Kieran's quote, Thilo is welcome to thank Kieran for the notice and complain to the conference organisation for their lackluster privacy.

Kieran posted the address in public. That was not neccessary to inform Thilo about it

thx

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: FFmpeg "supporters" doxing

[Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2025, 20:39 Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel, <
ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:

> Hi Remi
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 07:55:09PM +0200, Rémi Denis-Courmont via
> ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> >
> >
> > Le 29 octobre 2025 19:09:15 GMT+02:00, Michael Niedermayer via
> ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> a écrit :
> > >Does this also apply to the case where kieran doxxed thilo ?
> >
>
> > When did that happen?
>
> Wed, 31 Jan 2024
>
>
> > Doxxing is the publication of personal info against that person's will -
> not quoting some already public info. I seem to recall Kieran *asking* what
> actual business stood at a postal address published by NAB (or was it IBC?)
> under the name of "FFmpeg".
>
> doxxing is about identifying a specific person and exposing or amplifying
> info in a way that foreseeably invites harassment or harm.
> Even a public work address can fit this
> Especially with hostile framing.
>
>
> >
> > Then someone else claimed it to be Thilo's home address. I could recall
> wrong and in any case, I don't recall for sure who did that. But indeed,
> unless it was Thilo himself, then we could consider that that third person
> was doxxing Thilo.
>
> Thilo announced the NAB 2024 booth:
>
> https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2023-November/316474.html
>     Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2023 21:37:04 +0100
>     Subject: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024
>
> Kieran participated in that thread on:
>     Sun Nov 19 16:26:22 EET 2023
>
> https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2023-November/317199.html
>     This and surrounding mails also question a range of things in a
> hostile tone
>
> So Kieran knew that Thilo was associated with the booth. And there was a
> prior set
> of critique pointing to thilo.
> Subsequently posting the address and asking "Who does this address belong
> to?"
> is IMO Doxxing
>
> also, he asked "Who" not "which company"
>
>
> >
> > As for Kieran's quote, Thilo is welcome to thank Kieran for the notice
> and complain to the conference organisation for their lackluster privacy.
>
> Kieran posted the address in public. That was not neccessary to inform
> Thilo about it
>

Define: Doxxing:
search for and publish private or identifying information about (a
particular individual) on the internet, typically with malicious intent.

The information was not searched for, it was attached to the FFmpeg booth
listing. It was by definition not private as it was published explicitly
with the booth. It was not individually associated as this was marked as
the address for "FFmpeg".

It is right for the project to understand who owns this address.

Kieran

>
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: FFmpeg "supporters" doxing

[Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel]

Le keskiviikkona 29. lokakuuta 2025, 22.38.17 Itä-Euroopan normaaliaika 
Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel a écrit :
> > When did that happen?
> 
> Wed, 31 Jan 2024

I can't find it any match in the archives. Besides, that was during the 
previous CC and that CC (of which you were a member and I was not) found no 
issues. I fail to see any sane reason to bring this up again now.

> > Doxxing is the publication of personal info against that person's will -
> > not quoting some already public info. I seem to recall Kieran *asking*
> > what actual business stood at a postal address published by NAB (or was
> > it IBC?) under the name of "FFmpeg".
> doxxing is about identifying a specific person and exposing or amplifying
> info in a way that foreseeably invites harassment or harm.

No, that's not what doxxing is. At least according to the wiktionary it is 
either one of:

- To publish personal information of a person without their consent.
- To reveal the operator of an anonymous online account without their
   consent.

Quoting an already already published public info is not publishing, and more 
importantly, "FFmpeg" is not a person. Kieran did not doxx Thilo. This has 
been explained to you several times. I don't need to remind you that 
continuing to spread those accusations could be construed as libel. At least, 
they validate Vittorio's recent claims that you are carrying a personal 
vendetta against Kieran.

> Even a public work address can fit this

Obviously not. If it is already public then by definition it cannot be doxxing. 
And again, the more important aspect here is that Kieran was *asking*, not 
publishing, what *business*, not person, sits at a given already published 
postal address - for the legitimate purpose of identifying who paid for a 
booth in the name of "FFmpeg".

> Especially with hostile framing.

Maybe hostile framing is aggravating circumstances for doxxing. But since 
there was no doxxing in the first place, the matter of aggravating 
circumstances is moot.

FWIW, this is also unprovable if the original emails have been deleted.

> > As for Kieran's quote, Thilo is welcome to thank Kieran for the notice and
> > complain to the conference organisation for their lackluster privacy.
> Kieran posted the address in public. That was not neccessary to inform Thilo
> about it

The question was very relevant to FFmpeg-devel, so of course it was raised 
here. If Thilo subsequently outed himself, that is a proverbial own-goal. If 
someone else outed Thilo, then they are the one(s) having potentially doxxed 
Thilo.



And BTW, your action on Sundays caused people to believe that I was running 
the Twitter account. In turn it led actually me being attacked and defamed on 
social media. Indeed, it was completely illogical to vote against the media 
team delegation as a retaliatory action against me, whom you knew was never 
part of that team. Did I accuse you of doxxing by omission or implication? I 
did not and I will not.

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