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From: "Rémi Denis-Courmont" <remi@remlab.net>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 17:45:14 +0300
Message-ID: <13355080.uLZWGnKmhe@basile.remlab.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZRSQPCJC9Ho2RTgV@phare.normalesup.org>

Le keskiviikkona 27. syyskuuta 2023, 23.27.40 EEST Nicolas George a écrit :
> Michael Niedermayer (12023-09-27):
> > With SDR they do ask for a seperate library.
> 
> And they are being dishonest in that. Nothing successful starts as a
> library,

Strange, I thought FFmpeg really became popular as a back-end library for 
mplayer, before it was picked up by all other OSS multimedia at the time 
(gstreamer, VLC, Xine, etc.).

Force-feeding the SDR code to all FFmpeg packagers is not going to make it 
popular. Most of them will just disable it, especially if it brings new 
dependencies and/or doesn't work on the popular proprietary platforms.

FWIW, Fabrice Bellard didn't bundle all his initially hobby projects together. 
Several of them became popular.

> Demanding you make a separate library and a separate project is a
> hypocritical ploy to have you spend your time on boring things like
> build system and packaging, so that you lose interest in SDR and go back
> to doing useful things for them, like fixing fuzzing bugs and
> backporting the fixes.

To the contrary, I would much rather Michael uses his free time on his 
hobbies, including SDR-outside-FFmpeg. He can stick to spending his "time on 
boring things" if/when he gets paid.

That will add incentives for big tech corps to actually fund FFmpeg. This 
community, and presumably Michael in particular, are way too good at doing 
those "boring things" for free.

-- 
Rémi Denis-Courmont
http://www.remlab.net/



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-09-28 14:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-06 16:04 Lynne
2023-07-06 16:19 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
     [not found] ` <4e164164-f730-4b5e-9edc-1a37b10684e2@betaapp.fastmail.com-NZg-97N----9>
2023-07-07  6:40   ` Lynne
2023-07-07  6:53     ` Ingo Oppermann
2023-07-07  7:36     ` Steven Liu
2023-09-26 13:37     ` Leo Izen
2023-07-07 15:06 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-07 15:33   ` Lynne
2023-07-07 22:51     ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-09 10:14   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-22  9:27     ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-09-22  9:32       ` Paul B Mahol
2023-09-22 14:49         ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-09-22 15:27           ` Paul B Mahol
2023-09-26  8:47             ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-09-22 10:04       ` Nicolas George
2023-09-22 11:42         ` Paul B Mahol
2023-09-26  9:13       ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-26 15:09         ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-09-26 15:14           ` Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
2023-09-26 15:30           ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-26 16:27             ` Derek Buitenhuis
2023-09-26 17:24               ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-09-26 17:16             ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-09-26 17:25               ` James Almer
2023-09-26 18:03                 ` Nicolas George
2023-09-26 18:14               ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-26 18:24                 ` Nicolas George
2023-09-26 18:27                   ` Vittorio Giovara
2023-09-26 18:28                     ` Nicolas George
     [not found]                 ` <F3D5B4BB-AE60-401F-800E-6246B9F359A4@cosmin.at>
2023-09-26 22:50                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] SDR choices Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
2023-10-03 19:22                 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1 Michael Niedermayer
2023-10-04 15:19                   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-10-04 16:54                     ` Lynne
2023-10-04 17:53                     ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-09-26 21:20               ` Ronald S. Bultje
2023-09-27 13:53               ` Tomas Härdin
2023-09-27 20:18                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-09-27 20:27                   ` Nicolas George
2023-09-28  8:48                     ` Ronald S. Bultje
2023-09-28 14:45                     ` Rémi Denis-Courmont [this message]
2023-09-28 15:33                       ` Nicolas George
2023-09-28 15:58                         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-09-28 16:13                           ` Nicolas George
2023-09-28 16:34                             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-09-28 16:42                               ` Nicolas George
2023-09-28 14:32                   ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-09-28 15:28                     ` Nicolas George
2023-09-28 16:22                       ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-09-28 16:32                         ` Nicolas George
2023-09-28 16:35                           ` Paul B Mahol
2023-09-28 16:38                           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-09-28 16:41                             ` Nicolas George
2023-09-28 16:42                               ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-09-28 16:43                                 ` Nicolas George
2023-09-28 17:27                                   ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-07-08  1:46 ` Neal Gompa
2023-07-09 10:13 ` Anton Khirnov
2023-10-09  3:37 ` Lynne
2023-10-09 17:41   ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-10-10 15:19     ` Neal Gompa
2023-10-28 16:49 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-10-28 16:56   ` James Almer
2023-10-28 19:23   ` Lynne
2023-10-29  4:51     ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-10-29  5:57       ` Lynne
2023-11-07  7:36         ` Lynne
2023-11-07 16:47           ` Tristan Matthews
2023-11-08  1:26             ` Steven Liu
2023-11-08  1:29               ` Steven Liu
     [not found]         ` <NichQkq--3-9@lynne.ee-NichTw8----9>
2023-11-09  8:20           ` Lynne
2023-11-09  9:46             ` epirat07
2023-11-09  9:48               ` Gyan Doshi
2023-11-10  1:47             ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-10-29  9:30   ` Nicolas George
2023-10-29 13:51     ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-10-29 14:17       ` Nicolas George
2023-10-29 16:27         ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-10-29 16:40           ` Nicolas George
2023-10-29 16:43             ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-10-29 16:45               ` Nicolas George
2023-10-29 15:10       ` Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
2023-10-29 16:25         ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-10-29 17:20           ` Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
2023-10-29 17:56             ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-10-29 18:12               ` Nicolas George
2023-10-29 18:22                 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-10-29 18:31                   ` Nicolas George
2023-10-29 19:11                     ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-10-29 19:19                       ` Nicolas George
2023-10-29 18:47                 ` Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
2023-10-29 18:46               ` Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
2023-10-29 19:27                 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-11-01 17:53                   ` Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
2023-10-29 16:42   ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-10-29 16:49     ` James Almer
2023-10-29 17:01       ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf

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