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From: Marcos Del Sol <marcos@orca.pet>
To: "Tomas Härdin" <git@haerdin.se>
Cc: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avformat/webvttdec: improve WebVTT parsing
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 11:42:40 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <125650946.251443723.1749555760249.JavaMail.zimbra@orca.pet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <711117349.249383674.1749513064741.JavaMail.zimbra@orca.pet>

> WebVTT is supposed to be an extensible format. Limiting to a small set of
> known values and silently aborting when anything new is introduced does
> not seem like the best option to me. Web browsers do not stop rendering
> pages when they see a new, unknown HTML tag or CSS option.

About this, for interoperability reasons I've checked other multiple
implementations of WebVTT parsers and these all follow the approach of
silently ignoring unknown chunks:

 - WebKit (https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/blob/main/Source/WebCore/html/track/WebVTTParser.cpp#L224-L227)
 - Chromium's Blink parser (https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/third_party/blink/renderer/core/html/track/vtt/vtt_parser.cc#199)
 - Mozilla's Gecko (https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/media/webvtt/vtt.sys.mjs#1674-1677)
 - VLC (https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/blob/master/modules/codec/webvtt/webvtt.c)

The only one that would report an error, but will still keep parsing anyway,
is W3C's own WebVTT.js parser (https://github.com/w3c/webvtt.js/blob/main/parser.js#L150-L153).

If that's not enough, I found also in part 2.1 of the WebVTT specification,
also copied verbatim:

"The parsing rules are more tolerant to author errors than the syntax
allows, in order to provide for extensibility and to still render cues that
have some syntax errors."

Basically, the standard asks to follow Postel's law: "Be conservative in
what you send, be liberal in what you accept". ffmpeg should do that.
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  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-10 11:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-27 10:28 Marcos Del Sol Vives via ffmpeg-devel
2025-05-27 10:40 ` Marcos Del Sol via ffmpeg-devel
2025-06-06 19:43   ` Tomas Härdin
2025-06-06 20:22     ` Marcos Del Sol Vives
2025-06-09 21:51       ` Tomas Härdin
2025-06-09 23:51         ` Marcos Del Sol
2025-06-10 11:42           ` Marcos Del Sol [this message]
2025-06-13 13:03             ` Marcos Del Sol
2025-06-18  7:01               ` Tomas Härdin

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