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From: Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
To: "FFmpeg development discussions and patches" <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Cc: "Cosmin Stejerean" <cosmin@cosmin.at>, "tc@ffmpeg.org" <tc@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Add Mediacodec audio decoders support
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:35:25 +0000
Message-ID: <01010190c1c362a7-26f5378d-1f5b-45e8-b567-7edc3dc86f11-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPYw7P7juqiFUrQHuwZAbj9hdjS5jjHHJ10GtfLZ1QByQLM=ng@mail.gmail.com>



> On Jul 17, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Paul B Mahol <onemda@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 5:56 PM Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel <
> ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 4:58 PM, Zhao Zhili <quinkblack@foxmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 21:20, Matthieu Bouron <matthieu.bouron@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 6:31 PM Matthieu Bouron
>>>> <matthieu.bouron@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 4:04 PM Zhao Zhili <quinkblack@foxmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 21:42, Matthieu Bouron <
>> matthieu.bouron@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This patchset adds Mediacodec audio decoders support. Currently,
>> only AAC, AMR,
>>>>>>> MP3, FLAC, VORBIS and OPUS are supported.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This is mainly useful to avoid shipping Android builds of FFmpeg
>> that are
>>>>>>> subjects to licensing/patents (due to AAC and AMR).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m not keen on put OS audio decoder/encoder wrapper into FFmpeg.
>> They don’t bring
>>>>>> new features, they don’t improve performance. I know these type of
>> wrapper exist in current
>>>>>> project, but I’m not sure if it’s a good idea to add more.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree that on the technical side it doesn't bring new features nor
>>>>> performance improvements. It's all about avoiding licensing/patents
>>>>> issues with AAC and AMR here.
>>>>> In this specific case we already have the wrapper infrastructure, the
>>>>> audio part only needs small adjustments to work.
>>>>> Moreover, if that helps, I can reduce the scope of the patch to AAC
>>>>> and AMR only and get rid of mp3/flac/vorbis/opus support. What do you
>>>>> think ?
>>>> 
>>>> Ping.
>>>> 
>>>> IMHO, this benefits users wanting to ship an Android app that relies
>>>> on FFmpeg upstream in countries that are subject to AAC/AMR licensing.
>>>> While I agree that it's not great from a purely technical pov since we
>>>> already have better native decoders, it will allow the use of FFmpeg
>>>> in such situation without the need to use or create another FFmpeg
>>>> fork dedicated to Android. Plus, as I said above, we already have the
>>>> wrapper and the additional code to make it work for audio is
>>>> relatively small and scoped. Restricting the wrapper to AAC/AMR seems
>>>> like a good compromise to me.
>>> 
>>> Sounds reasonable, but I’d like to get more opinions. cc TC.
>> 
>> To add another data point, the platform decoders might also be more secure
>> due to sandboxing. I believe as of Android Q the software decoders provided
>> by MediaCodec have been moved to run within a constrained sandbox.
>> 
> 
> "May".
> Need citations and exact repeatable scientific proof.
> 

Citation https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2019/05/queue-hardening-enhancements.html#:~:text=In%20Android%20Q%2C%20we%20moved,components%20into%20less%20privileged%20sandboxes.

See the section titled "A Constrained Sandbox for Software Codecs"

- Cosmin
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-17 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-12 13:42 Matthieu Bouron
2024-06-12 13:42 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/2] avcodec/mediacodecdec_common: ensure input buffer timestamp is positive Matthieu Bouron
2024-06-12 13:42 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: add Mediacodec audio decoders support Matthieu Bouron
2024-07-10  8:47   ` Matthieu Bouron
2024-07-28 15:23   ` Zhao Zhili
2024-06-12 14:00 ` [FFmpeg-devel] Add " Paul B Mahol
2024-07-10 13:54 ` Zhao Zhili
2024-07-10 16:31   ` Matthieu Bouron
2024-07-16 13:20     ` Matthieu Bouron
2024-07-16 14:58       ` Zhao Zhili
     [not found]         ` <2009DBEE-686A-42F6-A5DF-35147272EEF0@cosmin.at>
2024-07-16 15:48           ` Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
2024-07-16 16:04             ` Zhao Zhili
     [not found]               ` <057FD6DF-E71C-49D0-8D11-7A7E4D5FB5CC@cosmin.at>
2024-07-16 16:42                 ` Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
2024-07-16 18:24             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
     [not found]               ` <205EB89E-F6F9-438D-A9BC-E76E5439C7C7@cosmin.at>
2024-07-16 20:14                 ` Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
2024-07-17  9:38                   ` Anton Khirnov
2024-07-17 12:19                     ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-07-19 19:59                     ` Martin Storsjö
2024-07-17 15:39             ` Paul B Mahol
     [not found]               ` <4F1B9768-96C8-4708-92ED-AC8E1C9FC46F@cosmin.at>
2024-07-17 17:35                 ` Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel [this message]
2024-07-23 11:35   ` Martin Storsjö
2024-07-23 11:44     ` Zhao Zhili
2024-07-23 13:43       ` Anton Khirnov

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